[ASIAN BOSS] Do All Chinese Really Eat Dog Meat?

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No but still... I find meat eaters so hypocritical, they act like it's the worse crime ever if you eat dog or cat, but screw cows and pigs! Those are apparently not cute enough to be worthy of life...

I'm vegetarian/aspiring vegan so to me it's all equally bad...
 

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I remember an issue was raised during the SK Olympic games. I see it declined considerably. It seems to be happening in China as well, so at least that's good news for our canine friends. Still Eastern belief is eating weird meat for stamina or other healthy benefits is more prevalent than it should. Although these two countries plus Vietnam get most of the blame (deservedly), I see there are some parts of the world that still consume dog meat.

It's obviously not most of the population. Still having special breeds just for livestock purposes is big yikes.
 

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No but still... I find meat eaters so hypocritical, they act like it's the worse crime ever if you eat dog or cat, but screw cows and pigs! Those are apparently not cute enough to be worthy of life...

I'm vegetarian/aspiring vegan so to me it's all equally bad...

Well I wouldn't say it's hypocritical, it's just in different categories for a lot of people.

Humans, especially in the West, have a historical connection to dogs (man's best friend etc) so they are seen as protectors and helpers rather than livestock, same as horses in some places. So that is the main difference in the emotional reaction.

Another big problem with the dog (and cat) meat industry is it is vastly unregulated meaning very poor conditions for the animals involved and there is rampant stealing of pets to supply the trade.

That obviously affects everyday people more than animals on farms which are seen as prt of the food chain and is largely out of sight, out of mind.
 

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Well I wouldn't say it's hypocritical, it's just in different categories for a lot of people.

Humans, especially in the West, have a historical connection to dogs (man's best friend etc) so they are seen as protectors and helpers rather than livestock, same as horses in some places. So that is the main difference in the emotional reaction.

Another big problem with the dog (and cat) meat industry is it is vastly unregulated meaning very poor conditions for the animals involved and there is rampant stealing of pets to supply the trade.

That obviously affects everyday people more than animals on farms which are seen as prt of the food chain and is largely out of sight, out of mind.
Good effort, but logic won't do much for you here. There are plenty of vegans in the East that do it as an element of choice, and leave others to to theirs. But in the West, everything has to be black and white.

Personally, I think it's more important to consider animal welfare in the case of domesticated animals, and while the US has its fair share of poor welfare cases, the places where dogs and cats are consumed don't give a damn about animal welfare.

<Cat-loving meat eater, occasional vegan> :bakacat:
 

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Well I wouldn't say it's hypocritical, it's just in different categories for a lot of people.

Humans, especially in the West, have a historical connection to dogs (man's best friend etc) so they are seen as protectors and helpers rather than livestock, same as horses in some places. So that is the main difference in the emotional reaction.

Another big problem with the dog (and cat) meat industry is it is vastly unregulated meaning very poor conditions for the animals involved and there is rampant stealing of pets to supply the trade.

That obviously affects everyday people more than animals on farms which are seen as prt of the food chain and is largely out of sight, out of mind.
You're ignorant if you think farm animals are treated well lmao, coming from someone who visited biological farms, don't even start about the rest...

They are emotionally attached no man it's hypocrisy in it's finest. Some people kill their pet bunnies and chicken for a christmas dinner... I mean, fine if you eat meat and have pets you don't plan on eating, as you started caring for those individual animals but don't act like Asians are evil when you have no problem with other animals getting abused then slaughtered. Yeah, I consider the meat, but also egg and dairy industry animal abuse. I used to think it was SJW bullshit too untill someone triggered me into doing more research... Who are we to abuse other species like that when we're doing enough damage already? Because the Bible blah blah and who wrote that thing? Selfish uneducated men, exactly.
 

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Good effort, but logic won't do much for you here. There are plenty of vegans in the East that do it as an element of choice, and leave others to to theirs. But in the West, everything has to be black and white.

Personally, I think it's more important to consider animal welfare in the case of domesticated animals, and while the US has its fair share of poor welfare cases, the places where dogs and cats are consumed don't give a damn about animal welfare.

<Cat-loving meat eater, occasional vegan> :bakacat:
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Cat-loving in what way
 

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You're ignorant if you think farm animals are treated well lmao, coming from someone who visited biological farms, don't even start about the rest...

They are emotionally attached no man it's hypocrisy in it's finest. Some people kill their pet bunnies and chicken for a christmas dinner... I mean, fine if you eat meat and have pets you don't plan on eating, as you started caring for those individual animals but don't act like Asians are evil when you have no problem with other animals getting abused then slaughtered. Yeah, I consider the meat, but also egg and dairy industry animal abuse. I used to think it was SJW bullshit too untill someone triggered me into doing more research... Who are we to abuse other species like that when we're doing enough damage already? Because the Bible blah blah and who wrote that thing? Selfish uneducated men, exactly.

LMAO. You're right... the industrial agriculture is abusive towards animals, there's no denying that. But let's not ignore other small-scale farmers who make more of an effort to provide better care for their animals. But then again, your perspective is so black and white, so I doubt you'll be able to see in anything redeeming in farms that raise animals for consumption. For 90% of the humans on this world, animal protein comes a small handful of animals - deer, cattle, sheep, goats, chicken /duck/ turkey, and pig being the most prevalent. On the other hand, of the animals that humans have been able to develop an emotional bond with, cats and dogs are the most prevalent worldwide. So this notion that if you are a meat eater, then you must treat all animals the same or you're hypocritical is a false argument.

But I'll leave this discussion with you here. You're not here to discuss, but to proselytize and preach, it seems. The irony is palpable, SJW. :yoosmile:
 

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LMAO. You're right... the industrial agriculture is abusive towards animals, there's no denying that. But let's not ignore other small-scale farmers who make more of an effort to provide better care for their animals. But then again, your perspective is so black and white, so I doubt you'll be able to see in anything redeeming in farms that raise animals for consumption. For 90% of the humans on this world, animal protein comes a small handful of animals - deer, cattle, sheep, goats, chicken /duck/ turkey, and pig being the most prevalent. On the other hand, of the animals that humans have been able to develop an emotional bond with, cats and dogs are the most prevalent worldwide. So this notion that if you are a meat eater, then you must treat all animals the same or you're hypocritical is a false argument.

But I'll leave this discussion with you here. You're not here to discuss, but to proselytize and preach, it seems. The irony is palpable, SJW. :yoosmile:
You're not here to discuss, you can't accept different views so you label them as SJW then quickly run... I actually can't stand SJW's myself.

I never said everyone should go vegan/vegetarian, everyone has a free choice. Just don't be a hypocrite, I despise hypocrisy in any situation. Even many meat eaters agree with me on this (had this discussion irl and under blog posts quite often)

I know there are smaller farms out there who try to treat their animals better (as far as that's possible, they still get killed or used) and that's great but how many meat in the grocery stores is truly biological? Same with eggs and dairy... For now, I can't be 100% vegan myself as my family doesn't agree with it, but I try my best, I'll give up dairy first, then eggs. But, I wouldn't mind still eating eggs sometimes IF it's biological, but again, I've visited such farms and it was rather disappointing... But maybe an egg from a small farm (like you mentioned, IF I can find such farm in my area) or from a friend/neighbour with pet chicken. Dairy remains a no go for me (also due to slight lactose intolerance)
 

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But then again, your perspective is so black and white, so I doubt you'll be able to see in anything redeeming in farms that raise animals for consumption. For 90% of the humans on this world, animal protein comes a small handful of animals - deer, cattle, sheep, goats, chicken /duck/ turkey, and pig being the most prevalent. On the other hand, of the animals that humans have been able to develop an emotional bond with, cats and dogs are the most prevalent worldwide. So this notion that if you are a meat eater, then you must treat all animals the same or you're hypocritical is a false argument.
Oh and btw (and @Lightning ) "it's historical, it's what we're taught" to explain why dogs and cats lives' matter unlike pigs or cows... That's literally admitting you're 1. brainwashed and 2. close-minded stuck in the past, but go off ~
 

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You're ignorant if you think farm animals are treated well lmao, coming from someone who visited biological farms, don't even start about the rest...

They are emotionally attached no man it's hypocrisy in it's finest. Some people kill their pet bunnies and chicken for a christmas dinner... I mean, fine if you eat meat and have pets you don't plan on eating, as you started caring for those individual animals but don't act like Asians are evil when you have no problem with other animals getting abused then slaughtered. Yeah, I consider the meat, but also egg and dairy industry animal abuse. I used to think it was SJW bullshit too untill someone triggered me into doing more research... Who are we to abuse other species like that when we're doing enough damage already? Because the Bible blah blah and who wrote that thing? Selfish uneducated men, exactly.
Oh and btw (and @Lightning ) "it's historical, it's what we're taught" to explain why dogs and cats lives' matter unlike pigs or cows... That's literally admitting you're 1. brainwashed and 2. close-minded stuck in the past, but go off ~

I don't understand why your response is so aggressive. Anyway I will respond and hope we can have a civil discussion.

To clarify, all I was doing was explaining my perspective on why it's not hypocritical to approve of the farm livestock trade and not the dog/cat meat trade, as well as the thought process behind that for a lot of people. I didn't even put my own beliefs into it. However, I would like to address some of the points you raised about my post.

First of all, where did I say farm animals were treated well? Oh right, I didn't. I was specifically talking about the dog meat trade. I'm well aware of the abuse and bad practices of the farm industry. The difference is that there is regulation of the farm industry, even if they are flouted, it at least gives the illusion of it being a more respectable business, even if it's not always the case. That sways public opinion compared to the back alley dog meat market in a lot of places.

Next, where did I say anyone was evil? In China, there is less of a connection between dogs and people, due to many factors but one is being that for a long time there were more pressing issues such as famine that required all food sources to be considered.

So there are also people who've grown up eating dog meat and don't see it as a problem. It's just a normal part of their diet. However, now with the country being more prosperous and having dogs as pets and part of the family, there's more people there who are against the dog meat trade as well, which will make more of an impact than any foreigners opinion.

Why do I say all this? Because you brush off my word 'historical' as if it's meaningless or unimportant. But unfortunately, whether you like it or not, historical connections and customs, traditions and attitudes are part of human society. It's an important part of this whole discussion.

I guess you could say we are all brainwashed to a degree in the sense that we are all products of our upbringing and the people around us, especially during our formative years.

In this situation it affects how we see food and animals and which ones we choose or feel are necessary to eat. These connections and attitudes are established over generations and take time to shift. If you can't appreciate that crucial factor, then you can't begin to change it.

Maybe in the future, meat eaters will be seen alongside frequent flyers as villains in the history of humans. Maybe not. But we aren't in the future, we are in the present. So I believe it's better to try and understand why these differing opinions exist, not just disregard those people as stuck in the past, brainwashed or ignorant hehe.
 

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Well I wouldn't say it's hypocritical, it's just in different categories for a lot of people.

Humans, especially in the West, have a historical connection to dogs (man's best friend etc) so they are seen as protectors and helpers rather than livestock, same as horses in some places. So that is the main difference in the emotional reaction.

Another big problem with the dog (and cat) meat industry is it is vastly unregulated meaning very poor conditions for the animals involved and there is rampant stealing of pets to supply the trade.

That obviously affects everyday people more than animals on farms which are seen as prt of the food chain and is largely out of sight, out of mind.

"Humans, especially in the West,"......This is such a western centric view I can't even. Different animals have different significance in different culture. The cow is actually revered in India, the country with the second largest population in the world, but you don't see them lashing out at anyone that enjoys steak.

Anyway I hope for all people that constantly discuss this to realise that the dog meat issue is severely exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Indeed dog meat is consumed in certain parts of the world but they are in no way the mainstream meat of choice for any culture. This has just been another Western propaganda to project how "backward" Asians are. To put it into perspective, the Asians could also run stories of how British people eat hare meat, a cute fluffy creature which "many humans have a connection to", to turn the world against the West. Wouldn't be nice isn't it.

At this point, this is really just beating a dead horse (pun intended).
 
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"Humans, especially in the West,"......This is such a western centric view I can't even. Different animals have different significance in different culture. The cow is actually revered in India, the country with the second largest population in the world, but you don't see them lashing out at anyone that enjoys steak.

Anyway I hope for all people that constantly discuss this to realise that the dog meat issue is severely exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Indeed dog meat is consumed in certain parts of the world but they are in no way the mainstream meat of choice for any culture. This has just been another Western propaganda to project how "backward" Asians are. To put it into perspective, the Asians could also run stories of how British people eat hare meat, a cute fluffy creature which "many humans have a connection to", to turn the world against the West. Wouldn't be nice isn't it.

At this point, this is really just beating a dead horse (pun intended).


Yes, I agree with you. It's a clumsy way for me to try and word my thoughts. I must admit I don't know much about the culture in a country like India. I should have kept to more country specific terms.

Also, I think the hare example is an good comparison that I hadn't thought of.
 
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