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StanYG knows how to work the fandom to their advantage for the big one off stats/achievements that will then get media-played for months, and you'll then just hear YG stans bleating on about quality over quantity when really, they've been given their first album 4 years into debut and they'd eat anything up. We've seen it for years. The massive difference between HYLT and the full album sales shows you that. 300-400k seems to be their baseline of a consistent buying fandom.
They let one finish before concentrating on another whereas JYPE announces new comebacks and opens pre-orders whilst an earlier comeback is still mid-promotion. Completely different styles of promotion.
They let one finish before concentrating on another whereas JYPE announces new comebacks and opens pre-orders whilst an earlier comeback is still mid-promotion. Completely different styles of promotion.
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It is true. Which is why you'll likely never see BP top the year end sales totals for GG's. This year they'll be behind Izone and Twice most likely(depending on if iz have another korean comeback)
It all comes down to which style you prefer. More content overall or more focus on the content you release. I think though jyp has pushed too far this time. A merch drop, seasons greetings and comebacks in japan and korea all in the same 6 weeks? isn't that too much?
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StanAt this point in Twice's career it should be less content and subsequently more focus on the few releases they do have to make them impactfu. Multiple releases is for newer groups, Twice shouldn't be rolling like this still.
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StanProps to JYPE, they are trying to achieve (to some extent at least) first point of your plan: TWICE are definitely having less content in 2019-2020. Didn't made their releases more impactful than stuff from 2018, but at least we have a start.
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I honestly don't understand jyp's strategy.
They surely see the complaints of the fandom and surely feel like with the sales of everything but korean comebacks dropping drastically that their ideas are not working at this point. I don't see any hype from once or certainly from outside the fandom for their upcoming 2nd album on their 5th year anniversary. The reason is surely because it's about 24 days to go and we basically have nothing...a timetable.
It feels like an after thought to me. They haven't even released that much this year it's just been so poorly planned out that they had nearly 6 months with pretty much nothing and now in the last 4-5 we've got 2 korean comebacks, 2 japan comebacks a compilation album and an online concert.
But all the fans are celebrating that niave got fired? Why, since when are we celebrating the bare minimum? What a guy produces terrible videos for 2+ years, get's twice dragged and degraded by plagiarism and after all that we still had to spend our own money and time to send protest trucks humiliating twice infront of korean media....and this is considered a win?
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StanThat's less content on a relative scale. Twice were on a ridiculous timetable and now that they've "slowed down", they still release more than nearly every group in kpop. In 2019 it was 6 physicals, in 2020 so far we're at 3 with 2 more announced, with a potential repackage in December making it 6 again. Izone are disbanding next year and Twice will still release more than them.
And really, less group content should be offset with more stuff outside of comeback periods but Twice don't do anything, they know comeback "less" but are radio silent outside of it unless it's fandom content. They only do stuff as a group during comeback time, and then outside of that just random reality shows on their youtube channel and whatnot that only a small portion of the fandom care about.
I haven't understood the approach for nearly 2 years now.
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So another day goes by and nada...no links.
That means it wont go up over the weekend and most likely Monday. Which will be 21 days only. I mean why? The pre-order for NiziU has been put up by jyp and will run for 62 days. That's 3 times longer, they even got a teaser of sorts and a name for their comeback which is 2 months away....
This is what I'm talking about, or fandom is fragmented and focusing on trying to put as many sales on the board as we can and looking at other groups meanwhile being blinded to what's happening. Our efforts and money are in vain as the effort and attention from our investment isn't going to twice, but other groups.
You know there's a rumour going around that jyp is producing the next title and it's going to be retro....yeah. So we can geuss what kind of low effort cheap comeback we'll get again.
That means it wont go up over the weekend and most likely Monday. Which will be 21 days only. I mean why? The pre-order for NiziU has been put up by jyp and will run for 62 days. That's 3 times longer, they even got a teaser of sorts and a name for their comeback which is 2 months away....
This is what I'm talking about, or fandom is fragmented and focusing on trying to put as many sales on the board as we can and looking at other groups meanwhile being blinded to what's happening. Our efforts and money are in vain as the effort and attention from our investment isn't going to twice, but other groups.
You know there's a rumour going around that jyp is producing the next title and it's going to be retro....yeah. So we can geuss what kind of low effort cheap comeback we'll get again.
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LurkerNiziu album is japanese single. I don't know why are you comparing it to korean releases? Twice japanese releases also have like 2 months of pre order and literally every release in japan also, since that type of promotion is widespread.
Also JYP produced every single title track. Even on your favorites like TT or Likey he is the producer, and BEP is co-producer. Or maybe you mean actually being involed in composing/arrangement.
Also JYP produced every single title track. Even on your favorites like TT or Likey he is the producer, and BEP is co-producer. Or maybe you mean actually being involed in composing/arrangement.
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StanYep, as I predicted. Just like they are claiming they have the biggest tour which is basically because they didn't change name of the tour out of lazyness, they will now claim they "beat Twice" in physicals after camping behind one album and collecting money for 9 month.
The one thing that is a big question for me tho, where did the 350k from Europe and US came? Is it just stores buying because they think it will sell?
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I'm literally tired of seeing the same BS from company stans, typical of them trying everyway they can to act like everything is fine and business as usual and like the company shouldn't be doing better with our money.
My fave is the excuse and lies they tell themselves to pretend it's only a small amount of fans and twitter once while ignoring the massive decline of performance in certain areas...as tho most of us aren't just echoing the sentiment of the fandom.
Also on the point of credits? Do you have a source for that? As KOMCA credits go jyp only has credits on Signal, What is Love?, The Best Thing I Ever Did, Feel Special and More & More for twice titles.
Fun fact about those songs they are twice's shortest charting songs.
Edit: also remember on topic to not make this an us vs them situation, who truly gives a shit about other groups? What is important right now is addressing major issues that are not only hurting twice, but fragmenting portions of the fanbase....throwing millions of dollars at jyp won't solve these issues that will hurt twice's future, yet only reinforce the problems.
My fave is the excuse and lies they tell themselves to pretend it's only a small amount of fans and twitter once while ignoring the massive decline of performance in certain areas...as tho most of us aren't just echoing the sentiment of the fandom.
Also on the point of credits? Do you have a source for that? As KOMCA credits go jyp only has credits on Signal, What is Love?, The Best Thing I Ever Did, Feel Special and More & More for twice titles.
Fun fact about those songs they are twice's shortest charting songs.
Edit: also remember on topic to not make this an us vs them situation, who truly gives a shit about other groups? What is important right now is addressing major issues that are not only hurting twice, but fragmenting portions of the fanbase....throwing millions of dollars at jyp won't solve these issues that will hurt twice's future, yet only reinforce the problems.
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StanBeing an album producer does not make you the producer of the title tracks, KOMCA is the official source.
Honestly I'm surprised their distribution is that extensive. I'm not sure who they are signed with but if it's a case of getting albums into stores fair enough. Fundraisers really skew the geographical thing though, as fans from multiple countries will contribute to different ones so it's hard to ascertain much from it.
The ridiculous thing about it all is how some fans refuse to admit the sales are inflated through the fundraisers, as it is so obvious. If they released the album like the original talk was saying in June (along with HYLT), I remember reading the cfans raised money for like 350k'ish at that point. It didn't happen in the end until October and it's now over 500k in China iirc and they obviously didn't just pick up that many fans in China in 3 months.
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Honestly I'm surprised their distribution is that extensive. I'm not sure who they are signed with but if it's a case of getting albums into stores fair enough. Fundraisers really skew the geographical thing though, as fans from multiple countries will contribute to different ones so it's hard to ascertain much from it.
The ridiculous thing about it all is how some fans refuse to admit the sales are inflated through the fundraisers, as it is so obvious. If they released the album like the original talk was saying in June (along with HYLT), I remember reading the cfans raised money for like 350k'ish at that point. It didn't happen in the end until October and it's now over 500k in China iirc and they obviously didn't just pick up that many fans in China in 3 months.
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Not even a BP thing but even with BTS and other groups - stats end up not meaning much as kpop fans end up skewing everything and gaming the system. BTS fans have incredible buying power in the US, but seeing people talk about Dynamite being some massive hit in the US because it got to number one when the main difference between that and their other releases is just radio and dozens of remixes sums it up.
When On didn't reach no.1 all they could do was criticise everything about payola as that was the only way you could get radio play and they're above it in the classic BTS fans holier than thou attitude. But now that they're on the radio, so going by their logic involved in the payola and hit no.1, it makes their song a massive hit. No other groups fans would buy every remix like they do, so they're dedicated I'll give them that but none of it is natural consumption which one again skews it and means you can't infer what you normally would from a song that spent 3 weeks at no.1. A normal consumer probably has Spotify so access to their faves remixes, and most therefore aren't mass buying every remix when it comes out like BTS fans would just out of dedication.
Feel like most kpop related stats, whether it be BP, Twice, BTS etc needs some kind of caveat as you can't infer what you normally would, because their dedication is to the nth degree and skews everything.
When On didn't reach no.1 all they could do was criticise everything about payola as that was the only way you could get radio play and they're above it in the classic BTS fans holier than thou attitude. But now that they're on the radio, so going by their logic involved in the payola and hit no.1, it makes their song a massive hit. No other groups fans would buy every remix like they do, so they're dedicated I'll give them that but none of it is natural consumption which one again skews it and means you can't infer what you normally would from a song that spent 3 weeks at no.1. A normal consumer probably has Spotify so access to their faves remixes, and most therefore aren't mass buying every remix when it comes out like BTS fans would just out of dedication.
Feel like most kpop related stats, whether it be BP, Twice, BTS etc needs some kind of caveat as you can't infer what you normally would, because their dedication is to the nth degree and skews everything.
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Stanbtw, judging by massive drop in blackpink youtube views, seems like YT changed algorythm again.
their Korean digitals also seem not super impressive so far
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StanConsidering BTS hit a 100m views and I doubt they use different means, I'd be surprised if they changed the algorithm between those two coming out. Probably more that there's less hype as it's their 3rd MV this year and the fans actually had other content. Which is funny because of how much their fans consistently downplayed doing better with more releases (and content per release) in a year.
Their title digitals haven't started off anything impressive but the chart change makes it hard to judge. You'll have to wait a bit. Getting all the b-sides on the top 100 is pretty good though, and the charts have been so quiet in September that they'll probably get decent longevity as they'll be able to jump fairly high up as all the songs are just old and won't have many UL's
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StanI wouldn't be surprised if YT actually changed it as a response to BTS record. Seems like it has to be constantly updated since fans are adapting pretty fast. But yeah, gap that big have to be a result of many factors,
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I don't follow them much how big was the gap do you know vs the time period? I think Ice Cream was 1 month-ish ago and hylt was about 3 months ago right? Do you know what the views were for all 3?
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Hmmm. That's interesting. I saw this on twitter. So it's nothing to do with policy or rule changing. It would seem to me hylt had a lot of hype after nearly a year off and now they are probably seeing what they always denies was real with the '1343124141 comebacks a year' thing they often use to discredit other groups.
Well their youtube views seem to reflect how difficult it is to keep up with a lot of new releases and the(by top group standards) abysmal performance of IC and now it would also seem the new song will likely perform bad as it's already dropping ul's which were very very low to begin with.
It's just so obvious the more content you have the more difficult it will be for that content to shine in all area's. This is why i am mad at jyp since their policy seems to be nothing for months and than a monsoon of content in the space of a few weeks. It's impossible for all that content to shine for any group.
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StanIf recent hints and rumors are true we'll be having this thread favourite songwriter back! Congrats to all JYP fans here.
At least MV should have some decent budget if it's true lol.
At least MV should have some decent budget if it's true lol.
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From what has been 'leaked/predicted' and now seemingly confirmed it seems inescapable that we're getting jyp on the title....wit his brand of retro 80's inspired pop that his fans like...not really once, but oh well his fans like i and so does he so yay for them I suppose.
I didn't think it was possible for me to be less excited about this comeback...
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I think in a few hours we should know if we have Amazon and HMV distribution like other jyp groups or if they're gonna shaft us again with massive DHL fees.