about JYPE and TWICE

[sexy cutie]

not that i'm disagreeing with your appraisal of Tzuyu though, it's just weird for me when people randomly pull numbers out of their asses. Yes, Tzuyu is worth a lot. But then what? You think it will stop at one or two CFs? No. JYPE and Taiwan would want more. She has to do films, and television shows as well. Why would they say no? Is there any reason to say no? While Tzuyu is doing all these things, can Twice function without her? Can a Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Jihyo, etc solo project match what Tzuyu makes? For what reason should Tzuyu stay in Twice when she can make all that bucks doing something else and note, in your words, with less effort. Tzuyu akgaes don't have that much influence right now because everyone, even Twice, is talking about OT9. But if and when Tzuyu steps out of that bubble, do you think Tzuyu akgaes will remain weak and voiceless? They have ammo. They have receipts. They have numbers. Everyone thinks that Twice will never have an akgae problem, but that's wrong. The only reason they don't have an akgae problem is because when you see one, you see all. If Tzuyu stars in some big ass movie, and she gets new fans to adore her. Do you think this people will like Twice when they never even heard of them? No, they will only support Tzuyu. Hell, they might even complain that Twice is only wasting Tzuyu's potential and time, like what's happening right now. If you think these are what ifs, remember that Tzuyu managed to get a big following of akgaes even when she's not promoted.

 

[askingquestions]

not that i'm disagreeing with your appraisal of Tzuyu though, it's just weird for me when people randomly pull numbers out of their asses. Yes, Tzuyu is worth a lot. But then what? You think it will stop at one or two CFs? No. JYPE and Taiwan would want more. She has to do films, and television shows as well. Why would they say no? Is there any reason to say no? While Tzuyu is doing all these things, can Twice function without her? Can a Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Jihyo, etc solo project match what Tzuyu makes? For what reason should Tzuyu stay in Twice when she can make all that bucks doing something else and note, in your words, with less effort. Tzuyu akgaes don't have that much influence right now because everyone, even Twice, is talking about OT9. But if and when Tzuyu steps out of that bubble, do you think Tzuyu akgaes will remain weak and voiceless? They have ammo. They have receipts. They have numbers. Everyone thinks that Twice will never have an akgae problem, but that's wrong. The only reason they don't have an akgae problem is because when you see one, you see all. If Tzuyu stars in some big ass movie, and she gets new fans to adore her. Do you think this people will like Twice when they never even heard of them? No, they will only support Tzuyu. Hell, they might even complain that Twice is only wasting Tzuyu's potential and time, like what's happening right now. If you think these are what ifs, remember that Tzuyu managed to get a big following of akgaes even when she's not promoted.

you should re-read my previous reply. i said, the most taxing activity they could have accepted is a photoshoot that runs for no more than 1-2 days to film.

it's not like I wanted tzuyu or other members to do all those stuff, if anything, it's good that they didn't. but you can't be serious and tell me that it's right for JYPE to gatekeep some members for 3+ years and not let them accept any deals at all. do you think the members even know about how much money they got denied because JYPE isn't transparent enough on what they're doing? i doubt it.

also, back to my orginal question. "when do you guys think is the "right" time for JYPE (div 3) to have the twice members start accepting semi / solo activities? such as cf/brand deals, product endorsement, attend fashion shows , magazine shoots , accept being a brand ambassador etc... or will twice be forever be known as a group who does everything together? not that there's anything wrong with it. "

i actually want to know your answer to my question.
also, do you think it's fair to still gatekeep some members with them being 3+years already in their career?
(their contract ends in oct. 2022) 2022*

how would you feel if you are in that shoes.

 

[twiceeejihyoooo]

some people here seems to not get my question.

it's not really about solo activities such as songs / albums / drama etc.. it's more on the fact that you don't see any twice members having a solo brand deals / endorsement or the likes.

you guys do know that you don't physically have to be on site to do some brand deals right? there are some whose only requirement is for them to use a twice member/s name to represent their product. other brands/product deal may only require the girl/s to wear their brand/product to represent them. there are alot of ways where deals can be made with only a signature needed.

the most taxing they could have accepted are magazine photoshoots that takes no morethan 1-2 days to film.
but in the end, you don't see JYPE accepting any of it.

how much millions so far do you guys think tzuyu or the j-line was denied because of such decisions made by the company?
if your guess is around 1-5million, then you're way off.

tzuyu alone in the 3+ year run in twice, pretty much lost 20m+ in brand deals and all that jazz.

you guys have no idea how much some of the members name alone cost.

I think the reason they don't want members like Tzuyu to have solo activities is because of the possibility of the same situation as miss A and Suzy happening again. They want Twice to do well in the long-run as a group, Tzuyu can always do solo CFs and modelling alone and I'm sure she'd be successful with Taiwan backing her. They want Twice to do well as a group and be a group in the long-run, they learnt from their past mistakes.

 

[twiceeejihyoooo]

I think Twice will start solo activities from after 2021, they're still quite a young group despite their achievements. Almost 4 years old but not there yet.

 

[zai]

Twice is still young group despite their massive achievement, 4 years is not even old. Just wait for now, i think its better we dont want anything distract ot9 dynamics.

But i agree at some point above they need build individual brand later, but the girls always said want to promote together for a long time, we really dont know its maybe their choice want to be together not jype.

Well its maybe little bit cringe but, Dont underestimate power of friendship.

 

[Stannie]

I get your question, OP, and I agree with you. I only mentioned about other solo projects beyond just endorsements, etc, because I think next year would be the right time for them to venture further. They would be a 5 year old group then. I really don't get the paranoia or why it's even a controversy within the fandom for wanting the girls to do something as harmless as cfs, endorsements, photoshoot, etc. It's weird. They can still participate in group activities while partake in less taxing solo work. Back then I understood because of the situation they were in, but it's been almost 4 years. The Twice brand is too strong at this point for it to be a miss A and Suzy situation.

Many have brought up the "Twice want to do everything together' as an argument, but have you for a moment considered that maybe it'd be "problematic" for the girls to outright admit that they wish to have solo projects? Especially in a society where individualism may be viewed as a negative/selfish thing? Them wanting to stay together and them being able to accept deals offered are not mutually exclusive. I remember in an interview one of the members was asked where does she see herself in X years and she said something along the line 'wouldn't they be doing solo projects like acting, etc'? So yeah, it's obvious they love group projects and group mentality is great and all. But maybe, just maybe they are 9 individuals with their own passion too. I would hate to later find out that the reason why they couldn't have solo work is not because of their own will, but because their opportunities are being stifled and denied.

 

[lusobr]

The girls have said themselves that the decision to promote and focus as a group is theirs and not the companies so I have no idea what you are talking about. JYP has never and will never deny girls solo activities. I bet JYP would be over the moon if Twice decided to branch to solo stuff cause Tzuyu alone would probably double their intake.

Now if you ignore your misinformation and just focus on when would be a good time to start branching out. Personally I think part of why Twice grew as much as they have is because they have been constantly putting group stuff out. The more delay and the bigger the gap between promotion the more you stunt and lose your fanbase. So as long as Twice the group exists I think it would be the best for the group's success to not do solo stuff. At least nothing that would impact the group schedule. Now if you want to talk about how to maximize gain and make as much money as possible, then right now is probably the time to start putting off group stuff.

 

[askingquestions]

The girls have said themselves that the decision to promote and focus as a group is theirs and not the companies so I have no idea what you are talking about. JYP has never and will never deny girls solo activities. I bet JYP would be over the moon if Twice decided to branch to solo stuff cause Tzuyu alone would probably double their intake.

Now if you ignore your misinformation and just focus on when would be a good time to start branching out. Personally I think part of why Twice grew as much as they have is because they have been constantly putting group stuff out. The more delay and the bigger the gap between promotion the more you stunt and lose your fanbase. So as long as Twice the group exists I think it would be the best for the group's success to not do solo stuff. At least nothing that would impact the group schedule. Now if you want to talk about how to maximize gain and make as much money as possible, then right now is probably the time to start putting off group stuff.

oh my bad.
i didn't know about that.
wow.
what an eye opener.

also, i want to know, how old are you? and which country do you live in? it must be nice to live in a world filled with rainbows and flowers. ?

 

[miyayeah]

The ideal situation to me is for a Twice member to be like Irene, who has a ton of endorsements and CF deals but it doesn't get in the way of RV's group activities at all.

 

[Pyron]

I imagine that the girls and JYP probably have some form of agreement and reward to avoid individual greed (from any side) if the offer is too much to ignore.

Dunno if it's just fear of Miss A situation only. It may be a huge factor, but companies don't have human fears. Other groups lasted long despite having individual activities or having a member with way more individual offers than others and they last together. Some groups seem to be doing just fine in this situation. Maybe they are the exception than the rule, but if money is on the line, I imagine any company would try to balance both group brand and individual activities. There is nothing to love if you believe you are competent enough to manage this situation and I don't believe JYP wouldn't believe themselves even when they failed once.

Not taking money just to avoid a problem that could have been better managed doesn't seem that believable for a company POV. The extra money might actually incentivize them to go for it again instead of avoiding the problem. Probably more is on the line than simply fear of Miss A 2.0. You may avoid 10 million immediate gain if you believe you can make 20 million long term. At very least, each member believe they gain more working this way (whether it's the power of friendship or just pure business or a combination of both) and JYP probably going with the flow.

Let's see how the manage Itzy as well and see if it confirm this fear is indeed the main factor. it may be the case as Somi leaving may be a strong indication. Still for a business POV just this fear doesn't see enough justification IMO. At least if I were a shareholder/investor, I would think it's a weak one to go out of your way to avoid easy profit.

In the end it's all about balancing profit and ambition. They probably don't believe short term ambition is benefitial to the long term profit (when I say profit, it's not just money. It's whatever they wanna gain from their activities). When this formula flips, their method will change. The numbers for those individual offers are just not high enough to flip them.