The Official DreamCatcher / InSomnia Thread

[Seriously]

they will be, under d1ce entertainment (디원스 엔터테인먼트 ). their debut plan is this month, but i don't follow them tho, so not sure whether they announced a debut date or not?

I don't follow them either, was just curious about the company situation, thanks!

 

[frostpuddle]

I don't follow them either, was just curious about the company situation, thanks!

there's a lot of speculation on twitter that dc cb is near, but i don't think they will cb in the same month as d1ce debut.

i watched a bunch of videos by way (former crayon pop) talking about money (income, debt). damn... i hope dc is in a better situation. crayon pop at least has a national/viral hit, what does dc have

 

[Seriously]

there's a lot of speculation on twitter that dc cb is near, but i don't think they will cb in the same month as d1ce debut.

i watched a bunch of videos by way (former crayon pop) talking about money (income, debt). damn... i hope dc is in a better situation. crayon pop at least has a national/viral hit, what does dc have

I remember the internet whisper of June/July for the cb, but that seems to have passed us by, we'll have to wait and see.

Financial stuff is hard to gauge with idols, the girls seem plenty comfortable... But you never know how much of the money is theirs, or how much they may owe.

 

[Stan BiSH]

hfe has legally changed their name to dcc. hfe doesn't exist anymore, at least not legally.

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d1ce entertainment is a separate legal entity with same dcc ceo. it's registered right before d1ce was officially announced.
hf music is currently registered under dcc ceo's wife name. husband & wife both appeared in mess9

they actually did it, the madmen/women at happy face actually did it

now make jiu the ceo

 

[Stan BiSH]

there's a lot of speculation on twitter that dc cb is near, but i don't think they will cb in the same month as d1ce debut.

i watched a bunch of videos by way (former crayon pop) talking about money (income, debt). damn... i hope dc is in a better situation. crayon pop at least has a national/viral hit, what does dc have

i recall the company of crayon pop were in the red before bar bar bar, after that they got more that 1 million in profit

but the members didn't saw a penny from the money because the ceo invested the money in new groups that weren't successful
and then crayon pop fell out popularity... ellin say she makes more from livestreaming that what she did from crayon pop

i'm more optimistic about dreamcatcher, while they are not huge like other groups they have a very stable fandom

 

[Magus27]

there's a lot of speculation on twitter that dc cb is near, but i don't think they will cb in the same month as d1ce debut.

i watched a bunch of videos by way (former crayon pop) talking about money (income, debt). damn... i hope dc is in a better situation. crayon pop at least has a national/viral hit, what does dc have

DCC (or HFE) is in a much better position than Crayon Pop's label was where they were literally their first group. Starship had a rough time in the beginning, but they chose well with Sistar. It's not like Dal Shabet wasn't popular, they just weren't SNSD or APink level popular. I definitely see some of Dal Shabet's influence in Dreamcatcher members.

i recall the company of crayon pop were in the red before bar bar bar, after that they got more that 1 million in profit

but the members didn't saw a penny from the money because the ceo invested the money in new groups that weren't successful
and then crayon pop fell out popularity... ellin say she makes more from livestreaming that what she did from crayon pop

i'm more optimistic about dreamcatcher, while they are not huge like other groups they have a very stable fandom

This is true. Ellin wasn't even supposed to be in the group, she was just a model and couldn't really dance or sing. The CEO made the decision to put her in the group anyway and told her she had to work hard because he pushed for her (and Ellin worked very hard to catch up).

I wish she'd take of herself better, but I can tell she's been learning how to handle livestreaming as she goes along. She makes a crazy amount of money now in comparison to her time in Crayon Pop.

I feel like as long as album sales at least stay the same or continue rising, Dreamcatcher will be fine. What they really need though is a first place win for a song. Couldn't believe WJSN got multiple wins this time around.

Siyeon's Speechless should hit 1 million views soon, she's got 99K likes and subtitles in 12 languages now

 

[frostpuddle]

i recall the company of crayon pop were in the red before bar bar bar, after that they got more that 1 million in profit

but the members didn't saw a penny from the money because the ceo invested the money in new groups that weren't successful
and then crayon pop fell out popularity... ellin say she makes more from livestreaming that what she did from crayon pop

i'm more optimistic about dreamcatcher, while they are not huge like other groups they have a very stable fandom

DCC (or HFE) is in a much better position than Crayon Pop's label was where they were literally their first group. Starship had a rough time in the beginning, but they chose well with Sistar. It's not like Dal Shabet wasn't popular, they just weren't SNSD or APink level popular. I definitely see some of Dal Shabet's influence in Dreamcatcher members.



This is true. Ellin wasn't even supposed to be in the group, she was just a model and couldn't really dance or sing. The CEO made the decision to put her in the group anyway and told her she had to work hard because he pushed for her (and Ellin worked very hard to catch up).

I wish she'd take of herself better, but I can tell she's been learning how to handle livestreaming as she goes along. She makes a crazy amount of money now in comparison to her time in Crayon Pop.

I feel like as long as album sales at least stay the same or continue rising, Dreamcatcher will be fine. What they really need though is a first place win for a song. Couldn't believe WJSN got multiple wins this time around.

Siyeon's Speechless should hit 1 million views soon, she's got 99K likes and subtitles in 12 languages now

from way's videos, crayon pop started getting paid 1.5yrs after debut, although not much. after barx3 they won numerous rookie awards, music show wins, cf. but they went into debt again because of their US tour with lady gaga. income split 60/70 company 40/30 artist, tour expense 50/50 company & artist. so crayon pop was paying 50% of their tour expense and they had to take personal loan to help clear debt.

i imagine if dc is treated same way, don't know how much personal debt they have since they did many small tours. people always say idols earn money from tours, but they won't if tour income less than expenses (staff, flight, accommodation, performance venue, etc). not to mention without awards or music show wins, dc won't be able to increase their event rate. no cf either. and how much money did dcc spend on the high quality mvs & music production...

 

[Magus27]

from way's videos, crayon pop started getting paid 1.5yrs after debut, although not much. after barx3 they won numerous rookie awards, music show wins, cf. but they went into debt again because of their US tour with lady gaga. income split 60/70 company 40/30 artist, tour expense 50/50 company & artist. so crayon pop was paying 50% of their tour expense and they had to take personal loan to help clear debt.

i imagine if dc is treated same way, don't know how much personal debt they have since they did many small tours. people always say idols earn money from tours, but they won't if tour income less than expenses (staff, flight, accommodation, performance venue, etc). not to mention without awards or music show wins, dc won't be able to increase their event rate. no cf either. and how much money did dcc spend on the high quality mvs & music production...

I watched the Asian Boss video where Way talked about everything you mention and I've seen some of the other stuff on Way's You Tube channel along with some of her Twitch streams on occasion. She puts English subs on all her You Tube videos and the inside stuff she mentions about idol life and her experiences are interesting.

웨이랜드 WayLand

💖 크레용팝 웨이 채널입니다 💖 ✨Crayon Pop Way's Official YouTube Channel✨ 💌문의(Email) : [email protected] / [email protected]

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Both her and Choa's English has greatly improved. If you watch them on stream together or just Way herself, they will answer questions in Korean and English.

I really wouldn't compare the two groups. Like I said before, HFE came from a place of having money to invest in the girls in the first place and is run by a husband and wife familiar with the industry. The CEO of Chrome was trying to start up a company for the first time having no prior experience in the industry.

This is taken from Wikipedia:
"Hwang Hyun-chang, a commercial photographer, was inspired to create a girl group after seeing T-ara's "Roly Poly" on television. Before that, he had never paid attention to pop idols and only listened to classical music.[2] After an initial investment of 10 million won, he converted his photography studio, Chrome Creative, into Chrome Entertainment. To finance this venture, Hwang sold his camera gear, used up all his savings, and went into debt. He later said, "If I had known how much it would cost, I would never have done it."[3]

The first group that Chrome Entertainment formed and managed was Crayon Pop, who debuted in July 2012. After the success of Crayon Pop's "Bar Bar Bar", which earned the company US$2 million, Chrome was able to debut more groups.[4] Boy band K-Much debuted in January 2014,[5] and two more groups debuted in June 2014: girl group Bob Girls and male duo Zan Zan (Hangul: 짠짠).[6][7] On 2 December 2014, male trot singer Her Min-young signed a contract with Chrome Entertainment.[8] On February 24, 2015, it was announced that Bob Girls had disbanded.[9] Later that year, Zan Zan and Her Min-young left the agency.[10]

In 2016, Chrome Entertainment had major changes in management, with founder Hwang Hyun-chang leaving the agency. Kim Jeong-tae replaced him as CEO.[11]"

At least the CEO of Starship worked for one of the big 3 as a road manager, etc. before deciding to start his own company knowing how they ran things and had ideas on how to improve it which is why he started Starship. The CEO of Chrome decided to form the company on a lark and squandered the money he earned.

You can't really compare the tour expenses of Crayon Pop to Dreamcatcher given MyMusicTaste has been responsible for almost all of their tours except for performances in Japan if I remember correctly. You also have to keep in mind Chrome was trying to invest in starting other groups outside of Crayon Pop which was part of the issue. We don't have to worry about that with DCC.

I agree that Dreamcatcher seriously needs at least one music show win so they can start increasing their event rate and the girls can be noticed for CFs. We almost got that win last time, hopefully we can get it this time around.

Also, it seems like the girls may be touring Australia next through MyMusicTaste.

If anyone is wondering about the following:
On a lark - On a whim or fancy; for fun or as a joke.
squander - to spend extravagantly or foolishly

 

[DorkCatcher]

I wonder if HFE changing name to DCC has anything to do with tax

it's common practice (in this country) afaik

 

[Magus27]

I wonder if HFE changing name to DCC has anything to do with tax

it's common practice (in this country) afaik

No - JiU said that they changed the name of the company to show their commitment and support to the group. Plus what would they be saving?

 

[frostpuddle]

No - JiU said that they changed the name of the company to show their commitment and support to the group. Plus what would they be saving?

that's just Jiu's PR talk. maybe that's what ceo told her.

one of the main advantage that i can see is to keep their liabilities separate, so that any financial difficulty/insolvency will not affect the other. not sure about tax savings, lower total income lower tax rate i guess.

i'm quite sure mmt does not pay for the full expense of the tours, they probably share with dcc or the expenses are covered from earnings and net profit are split with dcc (if any). no company will take such a big risk to organise concerts for nugu groups when didn't even reach 50,000 minimum points (mmt's policy), so mmt must have some agreement with dcc to exclude this rule. maybe some partnership cause mmt organised the photobook crowdsourcing for dcc as well and i don't think they've done that for anyone else.

 

[kimsguardian]

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[DorkCatcher]

jiu shoulders for healthy diet

 

[frostpuddle]

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[GVK]

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Who's the mosquito?

 

[GVK]

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[hatmixx]

can't really get used to logging into H+ daily... or weekly...

 

[hatmixx]

 

[GVK]

can't really get used to logging into H+ daily... or weekly...

I never log out I only logged out of OH after registering here.

 

[hatmixx]

I never log out I only logged out of OH after registering here.

i mean, i can't get used to coming to the site