The Official IZ*ONE / WIZ*ONE Thread

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GNexus999 said:
Talk about whatever you want, but no one wants this thread to devolve into some big argument about what some other group is doing.

"Most of Korea" doesn't actually give a shit about idols one bit if we're being real, Kpop fans tend to make Kpop into a bigger thing than it actually is, so there aren't ANY groups that "most of Korea" loves. They'll listen to a catchy song but they won't actually give a shit about who sings it. The people who "love" Kpop and Kpop idols is a small subset of the population and IZ*ONE has cut themselves a bigger portion of that population than any girl group that has debuted in the last 5 years not named Twice, including the other female produce group. HEART*IZ is going to pass their entire career sales soon. IZ*ONE is far more popular where it actually matters than they ever were.

Also, groups don't debut in a vacuum, trying to compare IZ*ONE to a group that debuted 3 years ago in terms of perceived public popularity is foolish. The industry was literally completey different 3 years ago, the 2nd gen was largely dying off and no girl groups in the 3rd gen had established any sort of hold on the industry. 2016 was literally the perfect time to debut for a girl group. Twice just had a big hit but wouldn't hammer down their hype with TT until AFTER that groups final group comeback. GFriend released only a single song that underperformed then went on hiatus until after that group was dead. RV was coming off a gigantic flop (OOTN) and didnt even begin to start to turn things around until a few weeks before that groups last comeback. And BP would debut after them and have success but only truly blow up after they were dead. The industry was literally wide open, any group that was halfway likeable would have gotten loads of attention, not to mention every variety show was begging full idols groups to make appearances back then which just doesn't happen all that much anymore.

Fast forward to Oct 2018 late into 3rd gen. Twice and BP rule the girl group market with an iron fist, Twice being well on their way to being the best selling girl group ever and the group that revived Hallyu in Japan and BP being one of the biggest digital forces in girl group history and perhaps the girl group who penetrated the western market the most ever. Then you have RV, GFriend, and Mamamoo all established as the untouchable 3-5, and an industry absolutely flooded with new groups in the wake of PD101. IZ*ONE then debuts into this absolutely stacked market, debuting in the most stacked month for comebacks maybe ever at the time, and immediately penetrates the upper tiers of the girl group market and establishes themselves as the new #2 in terms of physicals/fandom and rival any other rookie for digitals/public popularity. They then go over to Japan and immediately decimate every girl group not named Twice over there, then they release their Korean comeback into an even MORE stacked month than their debut and that song is now the 5th best performing girl group song of the year. A song they released in the same month that BP, BTS, and Twice (the 3 top kpop groups) is TOP 5 for girl groups this year so far, do you understand how crazy of an accomplishment that is, to go head to head with those 3 and not be completely overlooked?

They have, in every aspect, forced themselves into the highest tier of girl groups both fandom wise and public perception wise despite that top 5 being basically impenetrable for years. A top 5 that didnt exist back in 2016. If IZ*ONE as they are get transported back to debut into that weak 2016 market they would have absolutely decimated the industry and would have actually been toe to toe with Twice. If you bring that other group up to late 2018 to debut they wouldnt be anywhere near what they were in 2016. It may feel like another produce group was more publicly relevant but they were very much a product of the time and didnt have to really fight for it like a group in the modern market has to. The fact that IZ*ONE has been able to penetrate the previously untouchable top 5 should tell you everthing you need to know about their popularity.

That's all I'm gonna say about this tho, not gonna keep dragging this out.
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You make some good points and I do agree with most of them. I'm not saying that the girls aren't doing great, but in my mind the true litmus for public perception is high end CF deals and supplemental information like ratings during a Knowing Brothers episode. And even if it's an impossible dream, I still wish to see the girls rise to the point where they can even rival Twice in these regards. That's just the amount of potential I see in them.
 
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