【 Taste of Love 】TWICE Sales & Achievements Official Thread

TWICE•MOMO · Sep 24, 2019

ImBack said:
Uugh you realize that the only thing that 'chart' shows that you linked is how well TWICE's pre-2019 songs have been doing which has absolutly 0 to do with the performance of Feel Special and what we're talking about.

It also shows the public is not bored with Twice just their newer songs.

pastelcake · Sep 24, 2019

Hikari95 said:
Hi all!
First of all, I'm usually a reader-only on forums like this, but now I really feel the urge to express my thoughts on this. And it's gonna be a bit long, sorry for that...

So I have been into k-pop since 2009, being a fan of a few boy groups and a lot of girl groups. I have always liked ggs with a more mature sound, cute things were never my cup of tea at all.
When Twice first debuted I liked their debut track but then pretty much lost interest in them after CU-TT-KK (and I had a hard time understanding how they can be so popular with this type of music btw)... Despite that, as they kept releasing new music, I always checked out their title tracks, only to realize they still go with a sound and message that I don't like and cannot relate to. And when they started saying their new music is going to be different, I started hoping it finally will be something I like too. Then came Fancy and I was still kinda disappointed, it felt only a little bit different, still not something that I would give my money for.
But just yesterday, Feel Special came out, and after watching the MV, I went to iTunes and checked out the rest of the album, and ended up buying FS, Get loud and Love foolish.

So my first point is that while there definitely are people who will lose interest if a group with a very specific sound changes that, but other people will discover them in exchange, and become a fan or at least a general listener, who checks out new releases. It might be that they "lose" more fans than "gain", and it can seem like they are "flopping" (omg how much I hate this word), but concept/sound changes can be a new push to a groups career too (look at AOA, EXID). Sometimes it can bring an artists career to the next level, other times it will only show in the long run. But whatever the case, a concept change isn't necessarily a bad thing, it can be an opportunity too!

My second point is if they would stick to their sound pretty strictly for say 10 years from after their debut, wouldn't their songs get more and more generic a repetitive over time? Wouldn't people lose interest because their music would give off a forced, overdone feeling and the whole group would seem to be unimaginative? And also consider the fact that no one's getting younger, so would it really be good if the members were in their late twenties and still singing songs like Cheer up? I definitely don't think so... especially if the members themselves expressed their desire to try out different sounds and concepts. As a fan would you really like to see them perform songs you know they don't like? Would you really believe what they are selling if you knew they don't believe in it? Again, I don't think so...

And finally, as many before me already pointed out, idol groups releases, in general, are doing pretty bad this year. So the fact that the song is a bit lower on Melon than most would expect from Twice, don't forget that song is no1 on other charts including a lot of international iTunes charts. And it's only been out for about a day, it might ends up having a long and even chart run if more people like me, who weren't listening to their music, discover the song and/or those who miss their old sound get to accept and like this new one after hearing it a few times. Also, the yt views being much lower than for the last few releases is because the recent changes yt made about counting ad views, so this will effect other artists as well.

Sorry for this lengthy post, I just really wanted to share my opinion because first time since their debut, I'm really enjoying this new release from the girls, the title track, the MV and the whole album!

well written and welcome btw

FS is change to Twice's music color and i'm so glad it's not a hook/ catchy song. i love their hook songs obviously but i don't want they stuck in similar type of music for more years. they have grown so much in this album , and the melOn chart has been really crazy this year did you all even check how in top 20 are all ballads and ost except for Twice's song. they did well in other charts. enjoy the comeback, don't think everyone has to dislike the song

gsl · Sep 24, 2019

I don't get South Korean taste honestly. Like who listen to ballad all year long? About concept change I always believe that although people always saying they want a change, most of the time when the change happen there is always a push back. Not just Twice but on other thing too. Beside this year is just not idol year, only BWL has huge success. And tbh its also beacuse BTS is at all time high now. So don't just blame it on Twice or the song. There are also other reasons that Twice or JYPE can't control

지우____ · Sep 24, 2019

gsl said:
I don't get South Korean taste honestly. Like who listen to ballad all year long? About concept change I always believe that although people always saying they want a change, most of the time when the change happen there is always a push back. Not just Twice but on other thing too. Beside this year is just not idol year, only BWL has huge success. And tbh its also beacuse BTS is at all time high now. So don't just blame it on Twice or the song. There are also other reasons that Twice or JYPE can't control

It was already revealed that Melon isn’t even trustable that much too.

DallaDalla did the best among GG’s and BTS did the best among Boy Groups.

NamieKnowles · Sep 24, 2019

1st Month (From Release Date) - HOT 100 Points
#TWICE Album: 63,000+ (5 Songs) /27,000 from TT.
One More Time Single: 49,000+ (2 Songs) / 48,000 from OMT.
Candy Pop Single: 53,000+ (2 Songs) /51,000 from CP
Wake Me Up Single: 43,000+ (1 Song) / 43,000+ from WMU
BDZ Album 16,000+ (1 Song) / 16,000+ from BDZ
Happy Happy Single (1 Song) /7,000+ from HH
Breakthrough Single (1 Song) /9,000+ from BT.

Overall Ranking: 1. TT - 119,000+
2.Candy Pop - 77,000+
3.OMT - 60,000
4. BT - 56,000+
5.WMU - 55,000+
6. HH - 46,000+
7. BDZ - 33,000+

BT ill received? It did better than Wake Me Up and almost outdid One More Time in terms of Hot 100 Digitals. Both are ranked number 1 and 2 for Oricon Points. We can't compare Oricon streams of course due to Oricon not showing stream numbers until very recently. But they did better in YouTube and Spotify streams. Before Billboard bitched out and stopped showing it they were number one in radio play, online reception, and streaming. Their only weak point was Downloads because those are dying in Japan. Streaming took over.

Yes I do agree they aren't making hits in Japan. But hell TT was our only hit and CP was a semi-hit. That's basically it. BT and HH did well. Y'all seem to have this perception that if we aren't number one or if we aren't pulling a Cheer Up each comeback that we are flopping and about to fade into oblivion. Y'all need to accept that TWICE won't always have a hit. We are past that point. We aren't the trendiest, youngest, freshest group out there anymore. If we have a hit later in the future it was due to luck. I know many people are having a hard time accepting that its not 2016 anymore. But it just isn't.

The scaring of uninformed or newer Onces with some doomsday type of scripture needs to stop to be honest. There is no need to be worried. At this point in SNSD's career for example. They released Hoot. One of their usually most forgotten songs. Not to mention it did not do that well at all in Korea compared to previous tracks. Hell even RDR didn't do as well. Only thing that came close was Oh! This was an extremely different era where Koreans were still bopping to idols, but it shows how their digitals went during their 4th year. Their 2nd year in Japan was 2012. At that point their sales had already declined heavily and their relevance was fading but as we see with TWICE. That hasn't been the case yet. Soshi got lucky that 2011 was the year idol hits blew up in a similar fashion to 2016/2018 and they were able to score another solid hit with The Boys. We are in a much better condition than the other top girl groups were in. Yes, TWICE's years as the number one girl group is limited. Hell maybe groups in general might fade out of popularity over the next five or so years. But TWICE is too big to become 100% nugu and struggling to make ends meet. Unless something wild happens, knock on wood, they will always be able to sell decently, have successful solo ventures, and live comfortably.

TWICE•MOMO · Sep 24, 2019

People being ridiculous lmao with essays.

The song struggling cos it ain't that good is all.

Nothing deeper than that lmao. If they were releasing songs like they did in 2018 it would be hitting number 1 on Gaon next week.

That's all. Its just a weaker track in a wierd time for idol music.

miyayeah · Sep 24, 2019

Jeez, if I didn’t know any better I’d think Feel Special was charting like Really Bad Boy based off the dramatics in here.

NamieKnowles · Sep 24, 2019

3 People who were repeatedly proven right and known to make Essays spilling the tea. Can we say wig.

TWICE•MOMO · Sep 24, 2019

Samie Amuro said:
3 People who were repeatedly proven right and known to make Essays spilling the tea. Can we say wig.

I'm just saying people are making huge rant essays about shit that's not even happening.

The song is slightly under performing due to it being probably Twice's weakest title. But fuck people breaking out wattpad to write books about the current state of the gen, idol music, the history of SNSD....and any other manner of, well to be honest, insane ramblings to justify a song slightly under performing rather than doing the hardest thing which is looking at the most obvious reason.

The song is a little weak. That's okay. It's not a big deal.

NamieKnowles · Sep 24, 2019

TWICE•MOMO said:
I'm just saying people are making huge rant essays about shit that's not even happening.

The song is slightly under performing due to it being probably Twice's weakest title. But fuck people breaking out wattpad to write books about the current state of the gen, idol music, the history of SNSD....and any other manner of, well to be honest, insane ramblings to justify a song slightly under performing rather than doing the hardest thing which is looking at the most obvious reason.

The song is a little weak. That's okay. It's not a big deal.

And it seems as if you arent clicking what people are saying. So thats the end of this. If anyone wants to discuss further with me personally PM me or @ me on Discord

TWICE•MOMO · Sep 24, 2019

Samie Amuro said:
And it seems as if you arent clicking what people are saying. So thats the end of this. If anyone wants to discuss further with me personally PM me or @ me on Discord

No, I don't think I will @ you personally. That's a hard pass,
Saying that is simple, it takes about 5 words lmao. Not 5 pages.

Whisky23 · Sep 24, 2019

opcorn:

LOL. This thread is under charts and sales, so people should be free to talk about all the topics related to it. I'm pretty sure some people in Div3 are having similar discussions right, though they are probably not taking as firm a stance on a given view point. Doing the same discussion here is just a hobby for us Onces. The difference is that we don't have access to as much sales information, so pretty much everyone's viewpoints are still speculation at this juncture.

지우____ · Sep 25, 2019

Mann sole of you gotta chill.

The only difference this time is because the general public are streaming other songs and idol groups songs weren’t a huge hit (neither were soloists).

It’s alright, it doesn’t matter that the group hits a CP or a TT. Because this song is meaningful. If some of you guys don’t like it, then that’s your own problem.

But twice won’t go back with the colour pop type of concept. They have desired to make songs they love and to perform their type of songs. And we should respect that

ImBack · Sep 25, 2019

Samie Amuro said:
3 People who were repeatedly proven right and known to make Essays spilling the tea. Can we say wig.

Lol i think you're being way too defensive here..the song is just not performing as well as previous releases and that's just a fact there's nothing more then that. You don't have to write up long essays to try to defend the songs performance or try to find a reason why it's not performing as good as previous releases.

NamieKnowles · Sep 25, 2019

ImBack said:
Lol i think you're being way too defensive here..the song is just not performing as well as previous releases and that's just a fact there's nothing more then that. You don't have to write up long essays to try to defend the songs performance or try to find a reason why it's not performing as good as previous releases.

Girl if you think I am writing "long essays" to defend the songs low charting when I had already written a previous post that was 3 sentences on what I thought was going on then thats on you. Don't @ me with a copy and paste of what MOMO had already said sis.

As I said, anyone who wants to @ me with MOMO 2.0 can PM me on this site or Discord.
Cause the passive aggressive, cute, dismissive tone is what gets people clocked.
This is the last reply you'll get from me about this topic. You can quote me but I will just ignore it.
Have no idea who you even are lmao.

NewUser · Sep 25, 2019

Think some peeps are being a bit deluded here if they think JYPE is not going to look at the performance of this song in SK, with most likely just one week in the top 10 with AKMU dropping today, and not be a bit worried.

Not sure how Feel Special is doing compared to Itzy/RV's releases last month this early on? but considering charting in Korea is usually their forte (only BTS recently have probably taken them over out of all groups but they're now an anomaly, BP around on par/bit below - shame neither will release anything soon as they'd be a good barometre on most aspects like charting/youtube etc) this will stick out quite a bit.

i personally like the new sound so it's a shame it's not being reflected - and I don' think it's something the girls completely ignore as they did say prior to Fancy about wanting to hit no.1 on Melon

Pepper · Sep 25, 2019

Updated with daily charting in Korean and Japanese charts.

ImBack · Sep 25, 2019

Samie Amuro said:
Girl if you think I am writing "long essays" to defend the songs low charting when I had already written a previous post that was 3 sentences on what I thought was going on then thats on you. Don't @ me with a copy and paste of what MOMO had already said sis.

As I said, anyone who wants to @ me with MOMO 2.0 can PM me on this site or Discord.
Cause the passive aggressive, cute, dismissive tone is what gets people clocked.
This is the last reply you'll get from me about this topic. You can quote me but I will just ignore it.
Have no idea who you even are lmao.

I'll pass on that. You seem very childish so i won't bother.

NewUser · Sep 25, 2019

How many groups have started cute and transitioned into the mature stage without losing public support (at least some anyhow)? This is a genuine question as I've only ever followed Twice. Fancy was definitely a change but still had a Twice catchy hook and dance, which Feel Special didn't and was a bigger move away. Pretty hard to judge whether it's the song/concept change or just the condition of the charts at the moment, though even with the charts being how they are a week or two in the top 10 you'd probably still expect as it's Twice

Can't believe all of AKMU's songs are in the top 20 on Melon, with 4 in the top 10 - that's absolute domination.

지우____ · Sep 25, 2019

Besides that the reasons SNSD and TWICE situations can’t be compared is that’s SNSD didn’t had tough competition. T-ara has that bullying scandal, Kara was on a decline, and it was obvious that 2NE1 wouldn’t have touched them to get the NGG crown.
IF EVEN SNSD flopped with RDR and or THE BOYS, MR MR. They didn’t had a IZONE, BLACKPINK, RED VELVET against them.