【 Taste of Love 】TWICE Sales & Achievements Official Thread

[NewUser]

My main argument wasn't that charting is down to a lot of factors. I said that to properly evaluate a song's success or performance, you need to consider all the factors and not base it purely on how many days it spent on the Melon Top 100. My point about mentioning all the other metrics was to show that you could easily argue a different viewpoint if you just chose one different metric to bolster your viewpoint.

That's fair but I guess I just feel like a lot of the metrics that FS did well at was more down to Fancy expanding the fanbase than FS itself.

 

[Whisky23]

That's fair but I guess I just feel like a lot of the metrics that FS did well at was more down to Fancy expanding the fanbase than FS itself.

While Fancy, with it's more mature sound, did help to expand the fanbase, I certainly wouldn't pin FS's metrics all on Fancy.

Fancy's GAON/Oricon/(difference) numbers (19/11/03) : 389, 002 / 120,293 / (268,709)
FS's GAON/Oricon/(difference) numbers (19/11/03) : 400,523 / 82,952 / (317,571)

FS's non-Oricon sales are 48.9K more than Fancy's, which suggests that its success is based on more than just Fancy. I'm sure other activities and releases, like Breakthrough and Twicelights world tour, played a part as well.

 

[Neopoli]

LOL. So people wanna cancel JYP and his 3 Twice songs based on a single metric on one chart? I mean, why not, right? We just have to ignore that:

• 2 of those 3 songs are MAMA SOTY winners
• The one non-SOTY song is the title song of the current best selling Twice album based on GAON charts.
• WIL (single) has the 3rd highest GAON digital points of all their releases
• WIL (album) won Gaon Album of the Year - April and a Bonsang at the Golden Disc Awards
• WIL and Signal (singles) have 5 roof top hits combined. Signal has 3, and is tied with CU for 2nd place behind TT, while WIL has two, and is tied with HS and KK for the next rank down.
• DTNA may be #2 on Twice's Melon Top 100 songs, but WIL (album) outsold Summer Nights both overall and also in 2019.
• YOY may rank higher than Signal on Twice's Melon Top 100 songs, but Signal (album) also outsold YOY (album) both overall and also in 2019, despite it being a year older.

There are many relevant metrics to consider if you want to evaluate Twice's release, not the least of which is actual sales revenue, which is arguably more important than some chart index on one particular platform with its own history of dubious chart movements. Let's not forget that charting performance is not only affected by other competing releases, but also by SK public's fickle and rather lemming-like tastes, and that these "failed songs" still out-charted and outperformed most other GG releases of their time across many metrics. If you want an honest appraisal, you should consider all factors - leave the cherry picking to Thrice.

Although I agree giving a single fk about top 100 charting is dumb asf, as no one cares about songs outside of the top 20, I'd like to point out some flaws in your argument for your case.
-It's a debate of digitals, leave the physicals at the door.
-The public isn't buying the albums, they don't really strengthen your argument talking about those sales in particular
-You could had pointed towards streams and downloads.
Also is it even worth it with people who argue WIL is a flop? They're straight delusional.

 

[Whisky23]

Although I agree giving a single fk about top 100 charting is dumb asf, as no one cares about songs outside of the top 20, I'd like to point out some flaws in your argument for your case.
-It's a debate of digitals, leave the physicals at the door.
-The public isn't buying the albums, they don't really strengthen your argument talking about those sales in particular
-You could had pointed towards streams and downloads.
Also is it even worth it with people who argue WIL is a flop? They're straight delusional.

Flaws? LOL. Let me point out the flaw in yours.

The guy may have been referring to digitals, but the point he was making was, and I quote... "Not once, not twice but three times he failed Twice." The post wasn't a debate about digitals (GAON digital points would have been a more appropriate measure for that than Melon charting) - the guy was simply cherry-picking one metric to attribute failure. The physical sales were referenced to refute THAT point, since I'm pretty sure that revenue from physicals are a much more important benchmark for JYPE mgmt than how long they chart on Melon. I don't know why I have to belabor the point, but again, my argument was that the merit of the song doesn't lie in a single metric (Melon charting), hence the references to other metrics (physicals, awards) as a counterpoint.

 

[AegyoInTheStreets]

So wtf is up with this melon top 10 artists and both twice and itzy are not on there? what a load of shit.

 

[NewUser]

So wtf is up with this melon top 10 artists and both twice and itzy are not on there? what a load of shit.

JYP beef and Twice not attending again this year - it seems odd that a girl group other than them got there as they have the digitals and also the voting which is like 80% of it

 

[Whisky23]

Yeah, Melon's not even bothering to pretend anymore.

 

[Neopoli]

Spoiler: This is off topic from the thread so I'll just throw it under this and reply to the other things being said, I don't want to derail entirely.

I'm going to ignore you going on the defense at the start as you seem to not carry it further.

The guy may have been referring to digitals, but the point he was making was, and I quote... "Not once, not twice but three times he failed Twice."

It doesn't matter, to debate against him talking about the singles, the digital singles, you used physical albums. You met the meat of his argument with points that did not address or debunk his with bringing them up. You padded it out with useless information for him.

The post wasn't a debate about digitals (GAON digital points would have been a more appropriate measure for that than Melon charting) - the guy was simply cherry-picking one metric to attribute failure.

If you're arguing for the point of your post, your debate wasn't about digital, his was. Again, you didn't fully debunk his statements or challenge his poor logic. How he went about his argument wasn't part of my post so telling me all about it when I can see it doesn't add anything.

The physical sales were referenced to refute THAT point, since I'm pretty sure that revenue from physicals are a much more important benchmark for JYPE mgmt than how long they chart on Melon.

His concerns were not about how much money it brought, or what JYP cares about. Again, this challenges nothing, it's simply how you would like for someone to view it rather than addressing the concern. We know he didn't care about this as his tangent went off about the general public.

I don't know why I have to belabor the point, but again, my argument was that the merit of the song doesn't lie in a single metric (Melon charting), hence the references to other metrics (physicals, awards) as a counterpoint.

I can easily point out that albums generally are not bought for one single, rather for the goodies and collectables in the album or to show general support, thus reason for their success is different and the success of a digital single is from different factors and reasons. Especially since we're in a digital age where people usually buy the digital single and physical album to have the song easily accessable, it doesn't counter well to compare such things. Yes a single can attract more casual fans, but other content is what reels the fish in, not the single. That's the whole shtick of kpop.



Also, don't reply back repeating why you did x thing, why you did y thing, that's missing the point of my post. The reasoning for x argument doesn't change that x argument just doesn't work. You had some digitals but you padded it out when you could had continued on that path, and equally so you could had just countered it even without the numbers by pointing out the holes in his logic. The parrots that want to make such crazy statements like WIL did bad digitally blame jyp won't have their ideas thoroughly dismantled if we keep bringing up random stuff to pad out the reply. Stick to what they bring to the table, not slap more onto the table.



Note, I already argued with Dreamer on this, and tried to omit anything you might not had known about his intent or argument that I do know. If it comes across as I'm assuming on his part, I'm not. I've already heard from him, so this doesn't cause confusion.

Forgot about the beef with Melon, that explains a lot. Can't wait for that to get ignored

 

[munyuna]

JYP beef and Twice not attending again this year - it seems odd that a girl group other than them got there as they have the digitals and also the voting which is like 80% of it

can anyone elabote briefly what is JYP's beef with Melon? i think i missed that

 

[NewUser]

can anyone elabote briefly what is JYP's beef with Melon? i think i missed that

Chart manipulation

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I'm surprised though that Twice's votes were so low - even though looking at some of the others in it they should have got it regardless

 

[AshithBangera]

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[Dreamer95]

LOL. So people wanna cancel JYP and his 3 Twice songs based on a single metric on one chart? I mean, why not, right? We just have to ignore that:

• 2 of those 3 songs are MAMA SOTY winners
• The one non-SOTY song is the title song of the current best selling Twice album based on GAON charts.
• WIL (single) has the 3rd highest GAON digital points of all their releases
• WIL (album) won Gaon Album of the Year - April and a Bonsang at the Golden Disc Awards
• WIL and Signal (singles) have 5 roof top hits combined. Signal has 3, and is tied with CU for 2nd place behind TT, while WIL has two, and is tied with HS and KK for the next rank down.
• DTNA may be #2 on Twice's Melon Top 100 songs, but WIL (album) outsold Summer Nights both overall and also in 2019.
• YOY may rank higher than Signal on Twice's Melon Top 100 songs, but Signal (album) also outsold YOY (album) both overall and also in 2019, despite it being a year older.

There are many relevant metrics to consider if you want to evaluate Twice's release, not the least of which is actual sales revenue, which is arguably more important than some chart index on one particular platform with its own history of dubious chart movements. Let's not forget that charting performance is not only affected by other competing releases, but also by SK public's fickle and rather lemming-like tastes, and that these "failed songs" still out-charted and outperformed most other GG releases of their time across many metrics. If you want an honest appraisal, you should consider all factors - leave the cherry picking to Thrice.

First of all grow some guts to reply directly. If someone else didn't bring this up, I wouldn't see this dumbass reply.

Yep, and Twice gets hates for both awards because majority of people think that it is not very well deserved. No one did question the Cheer Up tho. And you gotta give it to the people when both songs weren't even best performing Twice songs the same year.

Cause physical sales somehow connect with digital sales, right? Twice sales have always been increasing regardless of how songs perform. I thought we are grown ups who have grown up talks here, this argument is just pathetic.

Yeah, a metric that came up in 2018 and you are questioning my metrics somehow. You could as well agree with blinks that D4 is the best selling song of 3rd gen group because, you know, they have highest digital index point.

Awards + album, ok, look up.

So you don't like comparing Melontop100 performance but you'd compare rooftop hits which depend a lot on competition. Might as well say DTNA performed the worst cause spend less time as #1.

Summer Night is a special album which can also be paraprased as reissue. Congrats to WIL beating its reissue I guess.

Another album talk, whatever.

Yeah, there are many relevant metrics and you used none of those. I made a legit point that JYP tracks performed the worst among all, both download wise and streaming wise

 

[Whisky23]

LMAO. I see that the serial whinger is at it again. No point replying directly - you've been trying to exhort Onces to complain about god knows what for a while now, and that fact that no one's taken you up on it should have told you something.

Anyway, in other news, and speaking of relevant metrics...

 

[Dreamer95]

LMAO. I see that the serial whinger is at it again. No point replying directly - you've been trying to exhort Onces to complain about god knows what for a while now, and that fact that no one's taken you up on it should have told you something.

Anyway, in other news, and speaking of relevant metrics...

It wasn'tv god know what but legit reason that everything about Fancy was cheap as fuck and many people complained about it, mr "Twice doesn't make enough money to get more investment"

Yeah, and whats so great about those metrics?

 

[NewUser]

Just looked at the MMA updates and Twice's votes are pretty low again - I wonder if fans just aren't voting as much as they know they're not going

Also how did Yes or Yes sell so much on Oricon - 170k pretty mad

Also what are people expecting for the album next week?

 

[Dreamer95]

Just looked at the MMA updates and Twice's votes are pretty low again - I wonder if fans just aren't voting as much as they know they're not going

Also how did Yes or Yes sell so much on Oricon - 170k pretty mad

Also what are people expecting for the album next week?

Oricon doesn't separate repackages. Basically YOY Oricon sales are YOY + Year Of Yes sales.

 

[Pepper]

TWICELIGHTS Update

 

[Pepper]

Spoiler: Gaon, Hanteo & Oricon

Gaon

Album Chart — Weekly
190922~190928 — #1
190929~191005 — #3

Album Chart — Monthly
1909 — #2 — 368,842
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Hanteo

First Week Sales
190923 — 61,066
190924 — 36,686
190925 — 14,917
190926 — 04,319
190927 — 28,207
190928 — 04,524
190929 — 04,309
Total — 154,028

Daily Sales
190930 — 17,195
191001 — 05,554
191002 — 02,157
191003 — 07,371
191004 — 03,686
191005 — 0,0525
191006 — 0,0177
Week 2 — 36,665
191007 — 3,526
191008 — 4,478
191009 — 0,343
191010 — 0,458
191011 — 0,715
191012 — 0,128
191013 — 0,098
Week 3 — 9,746
191014 — 0,121
191015 — 2,026
191016 — 0,542
191017 — 0,301
191018 — 0,704
191019 — 0,115
Total Sales — 204,391
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Oricon

Weekly Sales
190923~190929 — 48,627
190930~191006 — 18,806
191007~191013 — 05,683
Total Sales — 73,116

Spoiler: Gaon, Melon, Genie, Bugs, Mnet, Naver, Soribada, FLO & iChart

Gaon

Digital Chart
190922~190928 — #9 — 31,217,233
190929~191005 — #9 — 27,437,617
191006~191012 — #11 — 24,384,927
Total — 83,039,777

Download Chart
190922~190928 — #2
190929~191005 — #4
191006~191012 — #8

Streaming Chart
190922~190928 — #15
190929~191005 — #09
191006~191012 — #11

Singing Room Chart
191006~191012 — #129

BGM Chart
190922~190928 — #20
190929~191005 — #61
————— OUT —————

Bell Chart
190922~190928 — #16
190929~191005 — #17
191006~191012 — #23

Ring Chart
190922~190928 — #82
————— OUT —————
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Melon

Debut
#4 Feel Special
#73 RAINBOW
#91 GET LOUD

Daily
190923 — #07
190924 — #11
190925 — #13
190926 — #13
190927 — #16
190928 — #15

Weekly
190923~190929 — #12
190930~191006 — #12
191007~191013 — #14

First 24hrs Unique Listeners
20:00 — 110,758
21:00 — 154,949
22:00 — 190,742
23:00 — 221,902
00:00 — 243,684
01:00 — 257,728
07:00 — 292,404
08:00 — 341,375
09:00 — 396,832
10:00 — 432,403
11:00 — 456,742

Daily Unique Listeners
190923 — 465,250
190924 — 410,895
190925 — 361,907
190926 — 357,592
190927 — 350,704
190928 — 324,771
190929 — 363,236
190930 — 365,142
191001 – 356,636
191002 – 323,465
191003 — 367,418
191004 — 363,893
191005 — 330,303
191006 — 354,790
191007 — 341,504
191008 — 333,400
191009 — 353,774
191010 — 342,206
191011 — 338,958
191012 — 308,733
191013 — 318,572
191014 — 314,741
191015 — 314,480
191016 — 313,085
191017 — 304,590
191018 — 298,058
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Genie

Debut
#5 Feel Special
#39 RAINBOW
#43 GET LOUD
#48 TRICK IT
#51 LOVE FOOLISH
#52 21:29
#41 Breakthrough (Korean Ver.)

Daily
190923 — #03
190924 — #05
190925 — #11
190926 — #14
190927 — #10
190928 — #10

Weekly
190923~190929 — #07
190930~191006 — #08
191007~191013 — #11
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Bugs

Debut
#1 Feel Special
#8 RAINBOW
#10 GET LOUD
#13 TRICK IT
#11 LOVE FOOLISH
#15 21:29
#9 Breakthrough (Korean Ver.)

Daily
190923 — #1
190924 — #1
190925 — #7
190926 — #7
190927 — #4
190928 — #5

Weekly
190923~190929 — #2
190930~191006 — #3
191007~191013 — #5
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Mnet

Debut
#4 Feel Special

Daily
190923 — #2
190924 — #1
190925 — #4
190926 — #8
190927 — #5
190928 — #4

CHART IS OVER
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Naver

Debut
#1 Feel Special
#12 RAINBOW

Daily
190923 — #67
190924 — #20
190925 — #14
190926 — #12
190927 — #12
190928 — #12

Weekly
190923~190929 — #16
190930~191006 — #07
191007~191013 — #06
_________________________________________________________________________________________

Soribada

Debut
#6 Feel Special
#54 RAINBOW
#64 GET LOUD
#78 TRICK IT
#80 LOVE FOOLISH
#88 21:29
#53 Breakthrough (Korean Ver.)

Daily
190923 — #1
190924 — #1
190925 — #4
190926 — #5
190927 — #5
190928 — #6

Weekly
190923~190929 — #3
190930~191006 — #7
191007~191013 — #9
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FLO

Debut
#7 Feel Special
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iChart

Realtime Peak
#2

Spoiler: Oricon, iTunes Japan, Recochoku, mora, mu-mo, LINE MUSIC & Billboard Japan

Oricon

Daily — Single
190923 — #12 — X,xxx
190923 — #02 — 2,117

Total Single
190923~190929 — 12,495
190930~191006 — 08,707
191007~191013 — 06,179
Total — 27,381

Total Album
190923~190929 — 54,739
190930~191006 — 21,785
191007~191013 — 07,633
Total — 84,157

Digital Single
190923~190929 — 8,424
————— OUT —————

Digital Album
190923~190929 — 2,833
190930~191006 — 0,628
————— OUT —————
Total — 3,461

Streaming
190923~190929 — 2,737,300
190930~191006 — 2,193,399
191007~191013 — 1,606,294
Total — 6,536,993
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iTunes Japan

Single Peak
#2

Album Peak
#1
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Recochoku

Daily — Single
190923 — #23
190924 — #11
190925 — #18
190926 — #24
190927 — #34
190928 — #36

Weekly — Single
190925~191001 — #27
191002~191008 — #40
191009~191015 — #66

Daily — Album
190923 — #02
190924 — #01
190925 — #12
190926 — #10
190927 — #14
190928 — #13

Weekly — Album
190925~191001 — #11
191002~191008 — #53
191009~191015 — #59
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mora

Daily — Single
190923 — #35
190924 — #10
190925 — #17
190926 — #34
190928 — #24
190929 — #37

Weekly — Single
190923~190929 — #26
190930~191006 — #47
191007~191013 — #59

Daily — Album
190923 — #04
190924 — #02
190925 — #29
190926 — #27
190928 — #15
190929 — #27

Weekly — Album
190923~190929 — #10
190930~191006 — #36
————— OUT —————
_________________________________________________________________________________________

mu-mo

Daily — Single
190923 — #40
190924 — #04
190925 — #21
190926 — #20
190928 — #05
190929 — #09

Weekly — Single
190923~190929 — #12
190930~191006 — #49
191007~191013 — #29

Daily — Album
190923 — #1
——OUT——
190928 — #28
——OUT——

Weekly — Album
190923~190929 — #4
190930~191006 — #21
————— OUT —————
_________________________________________________________________________________________

LINE MUSIC

Debut
#1 Feel Special
#2 RAINBOW
#4 GET LOUD
#6 TRICK IT
#7 LOVE FOOLISH
#5 21:29
#3 Breakthrough (Korean Ver.)

Daily
190923 — #2
190924 — #1
190925 — #1
190926 — #2
190927 — #2
190928 — #2
190929 — #2

Weekly
190925~191001 — #1
191002~191008 — #12
191009~191015 — #22
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Billboard Japan

Hot 100
191007 — #04 — 7,308
191014 — #11 — 4,640
191021 — #12 — 3,640

Hot Albums
191007 — #13
191014 — #36
191021 — #75

Streaming Songs
191007 — #3
191014 — #4
191021 — #7

Download Songs
191007 — #13
191014 — #35
191007 — #13

Download Albums
191007 — #03
191014 — #12
191021 — #38

Spoiler: Billboard & iTunes

Billboard

Canadian Hot 100
191005 — #82
191012 — #95
——— OUT ———

Heatseekers Albums
191005 — #10
——— OUT ———

Heatseekers — Middle Atlantic
191005 — #10
——— OUT ———

Heatseekers — Pacific
191005 — #3
——— OUT ———

Independent Albums
191005 — #27
——— OUT ———

Top Current Albums
191005 — #84
——— OUT ———

World Albums
191005 — #06
191012 — #13
——— OUT ———

World Digital Song Sales
191005 — #1
191012 — #3
191019 — #7
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iTunes

11 #1s — Single
Armenia
Bermuda
Brunei Darussalam
Cambodia
Chile
Laos
Malaysia
Philippines
Taiwan
Thailand
Vietnam

25 #1s — Album
Canada
Fiji
Finland
Guatemala
Hong Kong
Indonesia
Ireland
Japan
Khazakhstan
Macau
Malaysia
Mexico
New Zealand
Norway
Philippines
Qatar
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Taiwan
Thailand
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
United States
Vietnam
Worldwide
Europe

Spoiler: YouTube, Spotify & Apple Music

YouTube

Trending
#1 Chile
#1 Japan
#1 Philippines
#2 Peru
#3 Panama
#3 Paraguay
#3 Singapore
#3 Uruguay
#4 Argentina
#4 Australia
#4 Germany
#4 Hong Kong
#4 United Kingdom
#5 Bolivia
#5 Canada
#5 Colombia
#5 Costa Rica

Views
190923 — 12,847,536
190924 — 14,957,922
190925 — 15,809,735
190926 — 08,516,288
190927 — 05,722,668
190928 — 03,883,369
190929 — 03,230,987
190930 — 03,412,129
191001 — 03,708,088
191002 — 03,247,871
191003 — 02,435,203
191004 — 02,717,548
191005 — 02,640,569
191006 — 02,110,511
191007 — 01,962,376
191008 — 01,801,497
191009 — 02,022,967
191010 — 01,877,604
191011 — 02,099,750
191012 — 02,067,853
191013 — 02,070,564
191014 — 01,721,401
191015 — 01,439,447
191016 — 01,413,789
191017 — 01,374,323
Total Views — 106,712,125
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Spotify

First 24hrs Plays
Feel Special — 1,165,602
RAINBOW — 355,018
GET LOUD — 345,106
TRICK IT — 302,914
LOVE FOOLISH — 316,504
21:29 — 242,368
Breakthrough (Korean Ver.) — 242,368

Total Plays
Feel Special — 21,273,887
RAINBOW — 2,592,636
GET LOUD — 2,768,721
TRICK IT — 2,419,040
LOVE FOOLISH — 2,766,257
21:29 — 1,776,657
Breakthrough (Korean Ver.) — 1,688,971
_________________________________________________________________________________________

Apple Music
#1s
South Korea

 

[Pepper]

Alright. All charts have now been updated with the latest weekly data. The summary pic has been updated as well.

 

[Whisky23]

Just looked at the MMA updates and Twice's votes are pretty low again - I wonder if fans just aren't voting as much as they know they're not going

Also how did Yes or Yes sell so much on Oricon - 170k pretty mad

Also what are people expecting for the album next week?

Tbh, I'm not sure what to expect. Above 300K, most likely. But possibly not much more i.e. we might not break any Oricon records. &Twice will be the fourth JP release this year. They had a dome tour earlier in the year, Tuwaii merch, and now Twicelights JP, with the tour ending at Tokyo Dome which I'm sure many will try to attend. When you consider all this, plus the concert merch, plus them buying KR albums as well...it's a lot of spending for J-Onces this year, and I'm not sure their wallets / purses are bottomless.

As for YOY and its 170K on Oricon, one possible reason may be have been their standout stage on MAMA JP , since the last 2 weeks of December saw a very significant sales bump (20K+ bump in Oricon sales). Having said that, a number of their other albums like BDZ, TTG and TCL1 and 2 also saw bumps in sales during the last few weeks of December over the years, so it could also be J-Onces buying albums for themselves for Christmas, or getting gifted those albums. It's probably a combination of all those factors. Still, YOY's 170K Oricon sales does sticks out. It will be interesting to see if FS will also get a bump in Oricon sales post MAMA and the weeks leading up to Christmas.

As for Melon, I think I- and K-Onces have given up on them. Usually, around this time, there will be plenty of Once accounts tweeting instructions to I-Onces on how to bypass voting restrictions and vote for MMA. I haven't seen any this year.