The Gay and Queer in Kpop Thread

[Tristan_Rivers123]

That is actually really sweet. I need to get into 1st generation groups.

There isn’t much else I think of in 1st gen but Tony and Jaeduck because of how visible they were.

Although if your looking at 1st gen music, there are plenty iconic songs to fill playlists.

 

[temporarywool]

Not to be that person, I have been enjoying your posts, but can we keep discussions linked to the overall subject. There are plenty of pages on this site that some of your posts would connect better to. This post for example could have gone somewhere else.

That being said I am happy for a more active community so welcome.

It's OK.

I posted that because it was a previous example of woo sung being with a woman who unfortunately had that happen to her.

I found that receipt before we all found out about the baby.

It's just me wanting to be through.

Back on oh and there was a previous crew that would question ppl a lot and call ppl who turned out to be queer cis het fangirls when they disagreed with them. And so many ppl would just react with or and then wouldn't explain why they disagreed.

So it made me feel like I had to come with college thesis paper level receipts instead of only
~vibes ~.

And thank u.

 

[temporarywool]

Probably unpopular opinion, but I am very sure that Jungkook is neurodivergent. He stims a lot. Probably ADHD. I'm also neurodivergent, so I guess I relate lol

One of us! One of us!

Lol.

Well, I personally haven't ever really been a BTS fan or watched enough of their content to get a sense of him myself I have 100% seen a lot of other people bring him up so I'm sort of siding with u through that. Still think he's probably straight though.

I wouldn't be surprised at all though.

It completely explains one of the reasons why people infantalize him so much and bring up the whole "Oh, Jungkook is just a little baby that likes banana milk and iu! He's scared of women! Oh my God, he's such a little baby! How can he write a song about having sex?!?!!?!1!!"

One of the easiest ways to tell whether an idol is on the spectrum is how the fans treat them.

Like if people are constantly calling somebody cringe for just existing or overly babying them then chances are they're on the team.

I've legit ass seen someone comment on the jcc video where Johnny, yuta and taeyong go to that really tall building in Chicago:

"Oh my God, it's like Johnny is the dad and yuta's the older brother and Taeyong is the baby!"

It's so weird and messed up because it's like "you realize people write about these same people having butt sex right?"

I hate it.

Taeyong is like one of the most obviously autistic idols ever. Got the unique pets and animal crossing game to show for it.

(The way I spent the whole summer after my parents got divorced when I was 11 building my house on the GameCube version....)

Also I think he's bi.

And then forgot to mention it but 100% v is on the spectrum.

Like the whole like taetae language thing and the Taehyung vibe check thing was probably just v having resting autistic bitch face.

Although we are better about picking things up about ppl if we've been around them enough to see their patterns.

Also I think he's bi and he was legit with Jenny. She's dated at least one bi guy b4 (gdragon) and is imho in the "either bi or straight" category.

I think the Paris thing was so that he wouldn't get harassed for being gay in the military. Instead he probably gets guys asking inappropriate sexual questions about her.

Plus him choosing that counter terrorism unit is novelty seeking behavior.

 

[temporarywool]

@sg97

This is that other seventeen receipt I mentioned.

Reddit post about that 1 scoups lyric that is the core bi receipt for him.

What is Seungcheol alluding to in the lyrics for 'Just for Fun'? His sexuality? Or is he dissing the industry ?



• So the "I like both" is pretty spot on, but the second part of the lyric was probably watered down in translation. The most important word here is 양성적. You see, I'm studying Korean and have been for several years now, and I knew that this word was pretty straightforward... It means bisexual. 양성 is bisexuality, whereas 이성 is heterosexuality and 동성 is homosexuality. Coups is literally saying he's pretty bi. I even asked my Korean friend for her opinion and she confirmed what I said, her words being "someone who loves both men and women". I told her it was lyrics to a song, and that it was an idol who put it in their rap. (author: se7enteen_trash)

• Ok, so, as much as I definitely WOULDN'T mind him being gay, bisexual or whichever else he prefers, I just discovered this song and the lyrics and asked a Korean native friend about them and the key is to not only look at the first line but at the second as well. The second line 언더 메이저 뭐든 상관없어 is translated in this video as "doesn't matter what major" which doesn't make much sense. So according to my friend, the actual translation is "under or major. I don't care." most probably referring to underground rap and mainstream rap. The first line 둘 다 좋아해 난 꽤나 양성적 then most probably translates to "I like both. I don't mind." or "I like both. I'm positive/active (about/in...)." referring to him liking both the underground and the mainstream sides of the rap scene and being able/willing to be active in both. 양성적 CAN mean "bisexual" but it also translates to "positive" or "active", depending on the context. Trust me, I so wouldn't mind him coming out but I don't think that's what he did here. Although he might have chosen those words to purposely play on the different possible interpretations which I would totally applaud.

• " I think he's talking about what position he will be in the group. Vocal or rap, he like both? And he doent mind if the company will put him in these two position. Idk if theyre dissing the company here, or some people in the industry who, like Wonwoo said, are arrogant"

The song is from their PREDEBUT MIXTAPE.

 

[temporarywool]

While I'm on the topic of seventeen:

This man mv.

It's sort of confusing and it feels like a weird ad for lemonade? The lyrics are about love so it's somewhat gay song wise but mv wise it's straight in the sense that there's just 1 scene where wonwoo touches Jeonghan’s face. But it's absolutely a plot that you could turn into a fanfic or webtoon.




This man audiobook. Full story of this man




Feels like you're listening to very depressing asmr. Legit couldn't finish it. But because there aren't any pronouns in Korean it COULD be interpreted as gay.

The choreography version though!!!!!

JEONGHAN X WONWOO (SEVENTEEN) - 'THIS MAN (어젯밤)' choreography video




Literally so gay.

That pose at 20 seconds in is some "about to consumate the marriage on the wedding night" shit.

 

[temporarywool]

Kboo receipts for Jeonghan.

SEVENTEEN’s Jeonghan Gains Attention For His New Phone Lockscreen — With A Familiar Idol Making An Appearance

SEVENTEEN's Jeonghan Gains Attention For His New Phone Lockscreen — With A Familiar Idol Making An Appearance

SEVENTEEN's Jeonghan has gained attention for his new phone lockscreen he showed fans, with a familiar idol making another appearance.

www.koreaboo.com

When it comes to Jeonghan’s friendships with other idols, none is more loved than his bond with MONSTA X‘s Hyungwon.

When Hyungwon prepared for his enlistment, he shared photos with his shaved head.

Hilariously, not long after the photos were released, Jeonghan did a live broadcast and showed that his new phone wallpaper was a special photo Hyungwon had spent specially so the SEVENTEEN member could have a unique photo for his phone.

Netizens quickly noticed that he was showing off his wallpaper, and while it was still Hyungwon, it was a new photo of the MONSTA X member having slightly longer hair.

Previous article about this:

“Military Wife Era!” SEVENTEEN’s Jeonghan Has A New Phone Wallpaper Of Another Male Idol

"Military Wife Era!" SEVENTEEN's Jeonghan Has A New Phone Wallpaper Of Another Male Idol

SEVENTEEN's Jeonghan made netizens LOL after revealing his new phone wallpaper which is of another male idol during a live broadcast.

www.koreaboo.com

Yet, netizens instantly noticed it was different from the ones fans had seen. Jeonghan hilariously explained that Hyungwon had sent him the photos from Instagram, but the SEVENTEEN member wanted something different, so asked him for a new one.

Gay besties or fucking?

 

[temporarywool]

Awhile back someone had posted about whether or not some of the members of seventeen still living together after moving out of the dorms ~meant anything~ so here are my thoughts on that:

As someone who has lived alone it can be hard emotionally.

Like I feel so much better having my cats and having people living below me than I did when I was living here by myself for a few weeks and after my housemates moved in, but before I got my cats.

We're social animals. If you're by yourself for too long you subconsciously start to feel under threat because there aren't any other primates to look out for lions/etc and it causes your body to go into a constant state of fight or flight. This means that you're producing stress hormones all the time which is bad.


"Loneliness, it seems, can lead to long-term "fight-or-flight" stress signaling, which negatively affects immune system functioning. Simply put, people who feel lonely have less immunity and more inflammation than people who don’t."

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/05/ce-corner-isolation#:~:text=Loneliness%2C%20it%20seems%2C%20can%20lead,than%20people%20who%20don%27t.

Having my housemates on the lower floor feels like we're monkeys living in the same tree and I'm just higher up than they are.

My cats give me someone to talk to and give/receive physical affection from. I know they can't replace human touch, but the only person I have for that is my mom.

So it's probably the same thing for them. Like having a lot of idol or actor friends means nothing if you can't hang out because of scheduling conflicts. Seventeen for the most part have similar schedules so living with another member is just easier and it means you have someone to spend time with that you don't have to go out and meet.

Plus if you have to have someone else get you up in the morning it works better than having a live in manager at almost 30.

The only thing their living arrangements tell us is who still fucks with each other and who sees each other as just coworkers.

I'm not a fan, but there's just no way a group that big are all best friends and that there aren't cliques.

 

[temporarywool]

Also what do yall think about Wonwoo being a gg anti? Keeho was an army and therefore exo anti on kpop Twitter and we all know he's gay so...

[Pann] Fans discover Seventeen Wonwoo's past as an SNSD anti?

[Pann] Fans discover Seventeen Wonwoo's past as an SNSD anti?

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Sunday, May 08, 2016

Someone who went to the same elementary school as Wonwoo (proof shots provided) connected the posts he left in their class's cafe to his Naver account and allegedly found a bunch anti SNSD posts he made when he was younger.

1. [+114, -12] There are a lot more than just this, especially one where he calls Taeyeon a r*tard and other harsh words.

2. [+112, -291] As if there's one person in our country who hasn't once hated on EXO or SNSD. If a group's popular, they're going to get hate; I think because everyone else was hating on SNSD, he was young and just copied them too. Wrong to hate on him for that..


4. [+82, -8] None of the Seventeen fans should shield this and just wait for the company to give feedback. If all of this is true, then Wonwoo is in the wrong and he needs to apologize for it so fans need to please stay quiet. And people, please only hate on Wonwoo's posts as an elementary school student, not who he is today. He might have grown to be a different person today.

5. [+67, -48] This is ridiculous, if the Seventeen fandom was any bigger, they'd be the worst fandom in the world. Even if he was an elementary school student at the time, he wrote all these hateful things about a huge senior and somehow he should be allowed to get away with it because he was young? Then why don't you let Taeyong get away with it too? He was obviously at an age where being a tryhard was "cool", no? As a Sone of 10 years and a former Seventeen fan, it makes me sick to know that he talked that way about my favorite singers. I thought Wonwoo was just this calm kid but to find that he was a keyboard trash talker like this ㅋㅋ

6. [+46, -109] If the posts were made in 2008, then Wonwoo was in elementary school and 2008 was also when SNSD was getting tons of hate. Everyone hated on SNSD at the time and they even had a 10 minute at Dream Concert going on... so maybe he was just going with the flow without knowing uch.

7. [+44, -3] As a Sone, this angers me so much. So he participated in one of SNSD's most tortured years of 2008.

8. [+36, -0] How can you claim that all elementary school students are like him when there are posts by his own classmates telling hi to stop? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ And despite them telling him to stop, he kept writing more hateful comments (screencap of classmates saying, "Why are you posting stuff like this?", "Yah, you can stop this now")

10. [+26, -0] As a Seventeen fan, Wonwoo is in the wrong.. it's undeniable and the majority of our fandom has no intention of shielding him. We are currently calling Pledis and requesting feedback.

SEVENTEEN’s Wonwoo was an SNSD anti when he was young, apologizes now

https://www.asianjunkie.com/2016/05...n-snsd-anti-when-he-was-young-apologizes-now/

05/08/2016

“SNSD is the trash of the singing industry~!”
“Can’t even tell who’s who in this pre-plastic surgery photo of SNSD ㅎㅎ” (photoshopped pre-debut pictures of SNSD)
“ㅋㅋㅋ So much plastic surgery, the side effects of her plastic surgery causes her to flare her nostrils too big” (screencap of Sunny)
“Taeyeon’s not afraid of antis it seems.. ㅎㅎ” (picture of Taeyeon with eyes and lips circled)
“Ow my eyes~~~” (on a picture of pre-debut vs post-debut Jessica)

"Even though I wrote it when I was young, it is definitely something I wrote, and I am sorry to the Girls’ Generation sunbaenims, their fans, as well as Carats who were hurt by this."

Apparently it was common back then to hate on gg but...he was a blackjack.

Also fuck hybe for bringing this up in retaliation to Seungkwan's post hybe leak ig post.

Spoiler: Kboo article about it

Past Malicious Comments Written By SEVENTEEN’s Wonwoo Resurface

Past Malicious Comments Written By SEVENTEEN’s Wonwoo Resurface

SEVENTEEN's Wonwoo replied to Seungkwan's Instagram post and garnered criticism due to his past malicious posts against Girls' Generation.

www.koreaboo.com

On October 29, SEVENTEEN’s Seungkwan posted a lengthy Instagram post that received much attention from celebrities and fans.
I hope everyone becomes even just a little bit happier. — S.Coups

As Seungkwan said, I hope the world becomes filled with only warmth. — Wonwoo

However, some netizens criticized Wonwoo’s comment.

Previously, it was revealed that Wonwoo left comments criticizing Girls’ Generation’s appearance in the sixth grade. The posts contained malicious screenshots and edited photos with rude remarks.

After debuting, he posted a handwritten apology in 2016 on the official fan club site.

Bonus hybe silencing them:

SEVENTEEN’s Alleged Social Media “Silence” Sparks Concerns Amid HYBE’s Recent Controversies

SEVENTEEN's Alleged Social Media "Silence" Sparks Concerns Amid HYBE's Recent Controversies

Netizens have voiced concerns after SEVENTEEN's alleged social media "silence" following HYBE's recent controversies.

www.koreaboo.com

November 4 2024
Amid HYBE’s controversy (especially the recent internal document leak), netizens praised SEVENTEEN Seungkwan‘s letter which spoke of the industry and seemingly addressed the recent actions of the company, including a letter from NMIXX‘s Haewon.

Hoshi also showcased support for aespa‘s Karina in a post.

Yet, after these posts, netizens noticed that the members have been quiet on social media (aside from the photos from their recent US shows).

While some fans thought the silence might be just the members enjoying their time in America, many thought that HYBE might have put them on a “social media” ban following their recent posts.

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[temporarywool]

Jeonghan serving cvnt in a skirt. The gender envy is off the charts. But also this is my type.

 

[sooat]

Hard pass on anything with park bo gum in it. My autistic brain will always just be like pbg=cult. I know it isn't his fault but that's just...how my mind works.

With so I married the anti fan it was the title that got me.

And yeah I don't mind slow burn if it's a short show but if it's straight and isn't weird hard pass.

Lately my tolerance for straight ppl is low if they aren't autistic/adhd/AuAdhd coded characters. I watched hold on my lady for the unintentional trans rep and stayed for the equally unintentional autistic and adhd rep. The main ship can be read as a autistic guy x adhd girl couple.

I remember that I was starting to get to know bogum when I heard about the cult, that made me feel weird so I ignored him completely, this would be the first drama I watch with him
but they said he left

 

[temporarywool]

One of us! One of us!

Lol.

Well, I personally haven't ever really been a BTS fan or watched enough of their content to get a sense of him myself I have 100% seen a lot of other people bring him up so I'm sort of siding with u through that. Still think he's probably straight though.

I wouldn't be surprised at all though.

It completely explains one of the reasons why people infantalize him so much and bring up the whole "Oh, Jungkook is just a little baby that likes banana milk and iu! He's scared of women! Oh my God, he's such a little baby! How can he write a song about having sex?!?!!?!1!!"

One of the easiest ways to tell whether an idol is on the spectrum is how the fans treat them.

Like if people are constantly calling somebody cringe for just existing or overly babying them then chances are they're on the team.

I've legit ass seen someone comment on the jcc video where Johnny, yuta and taeyong go to that really tall building in Chicago:

"Oh my God, it's like Johnny is the dad and yuta's the older brother and Taeyong is the baby!"

It's so weird and messed up because it's like "you realize people write about these same people having butt sex right?"

I hate it.

Taeyong is like one of the most obviously autistic idols ever. Got the unique pets and animal crossing game to show for it.

(The way I spent the whole summer after my parents got divorced when I was 11 building my house on the GameCube version....)

Also I think he's bi.

And then forgot to mention it but 100% v is on the spectrum.

Like the whole like taetae language thing and the Taehyung vibe check thing was probably just v having resting autistic bitch face.

Although we are better about picking things up about ppl if we've been around them enough to see their patterns.

Also I think he's bi and he was legit with Jenny. She's dated at least one bi guy b4 (gdragon) and is imho in the "either bi or straight" category.

I think the Paris thing was so that he wouldn't get harassed for being gay in the military. Instead he probably gets guys asking inappropriate sexual questions about her.

Plus him choosing that counter terrorism unit is novelty seeking behavior.

@sg97 And @MlCKEY

Somewhat in relation to the nd thing:

Spoiler: Yt short plus me trauma dumping a bit

Ppl can absolutely recognize nd ppl/idols and bully them for their behaviors. They just don't know that what they're seeing is a neurodivergent person.


The first ppl to ever assess me were the kids in my grade 1 class that called me the r slur everyday.


And then kept doing it until grade 5 when that word finally became like officially not okay to say.

It wasn't until grade 3 that a teacher told my parents that I probably have adhd and then they took me to my doctor and he was just like no u don't have it.

️aaaand that's how I went the following 19 YEARS without a diagnosis leading to depression, burnout and me dropping out of high school at 18 with only 3 courses left to complete!️

(I ended up taking care of my grandfather full time 2014 to the beginning of 2020 and then I moved down here to live with my mom. I did online school during the pandemic and graduated. It was sooo much easier. also fuck my old doctor.)

 

[sg97]

With sandeul 4 me it's literally simply gay face.

Gong yoo: I don't watch mainstream shows for the most part. But I have a bunch of kboo articles about them.

Kang Haneul gay theater kid. Checked his wiki. Will post had to take cat to vet.

Lee dong wook does have a vibe but I'd still say bi. Sucks for me personally that he's kinda because he's indigenous on his mom's side and I'm Haudenosaunee Mohawk on my maternal grandma's side so boo that a kceleb that could hypothetically be super distantly related to me is like that.

Lee Dong Wook Discovered That He Has Genes That Is Only Found In 1% Of The Korean Population

Actor Lee Dong Wook has always been famous for his visuals as he was frequently mistaken as not being full Korean. But that theory may not be entirely off!

www.koreaboo.com

This doesn't have subs. Sorry.






"During Because I Want To Talk, Lee Dong Wook had his genetics tested by Professor Yoo Sung Ho who teaches at Seoul University.

There, the professor revealed that Lee Dong Wook actually has genes that are only found in 1% of the Korean population!

Lee Dong Wook’s genes revealed that he’s actually part Siberian! The professor clarified that Lee Dong Wook is most certainly Korean, but he has Siberian heritage, which is extremely rare among Koreans!

(Hate how this is worded. Lee dong wook has Korean citizenship. Ethnically he's Korean and Siberian. It's not that fucking hard.)

The professor explained that Lee Dong Wook’s porcelain white skin, which is uncommon among Koreans, most likely comes from his Siberian heritage!"

Lee Dong-wook - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

According to Lee's results, a significant part of his mother's genetic makeup matches that of Koryaks and Khakas people—both ethnic groups that are indigenous to Siberia (to be more specific, Kamchatka and Khakassia respectively.

...has this professor seen a Siberian person b4? Like there are tan Korean ppl but most of them aren't that many shades away from this person.

Also I've seen pics where he isn’t super white. Its probably make up and body make up and photoshop.

Compared to this Pic where they edit out his moles

Literally the same magazine

It's more accurate to say that might be where his unique facial features come from. End of rant.

Incidental gay Pic found while looking for these.

hope your cat's ok!

 

[temporarywool]

I remember that I was starting to get to know bogum when I heard about the cult, that made me feel weird so I ignored him completely, this would be the first drama I watch with him
but they said he left

I know he left but the mental link is still there?

And also watching mainstream straight shows with queer MLS is .

Like I liked love in black hole with Hangyul and seola but I still feel like they gave off autistic girl and her gay best friend vibes instead of two ppl that totes want each other carnally. If I had written it that's what it would have been.

Would still recommend it though if u want something fairly light and short and scifi without "we have to save the world!!!1!!!1" bs
but u probably won't like it because it's idol acting.

Anyway it goes to show how even I as a queer person am influenced by my knowledge of an actor's sexuality. Despite being "woke" I'm still sitting there going "Yeah yall wouldn't hook up irl."

I can still find the guy attractive and unlike most cis straight women if he's bi like Lee Joon then I'm obviously still into him because trans. (Transphobic bi ppl exist but I can dream yall)

And if the plot is interesting I'm still watching it but I just...don't get swept up in the romanceee the way the straights do.

Like I got pretty emotional with light on me. (That's probably mostly because of my own closeted queer kid for all of high school trauma though.)

Love in black hole was...like pretty good?

I like the unintentional autistic rep (a lot of autistic/etc ppl like unintentional rep better than intentional representation because it often turns into autism 101 for the normies i.e. the good doctor western version/centers a neurotypical character's feelings about taking care of a nd person i.e. sia's horrible autism movie music/a barrage of ableist jokes i.e. the big bang theory.) and seola and Hangyul are okay actors.

And it only has 1 intimate partner violence scene where her ex shows up at her house drunk but the guys are there to help handle it without coming off as knights in shining armor and it's mostly just yelling.

...but I was absolutely still aware that I was watching at least 4 queer idols act out a straight love pentagon.

Sf9 Lee Jay hoon is the 2ml and he's been talked about on here a bit. I think he pings.

The third male lead is Bae 173 doha. Also pings. (And there's a invading your personal space scene with him and seola that I definitely wasn't a fan of.)

The 2fl is ki hui hyun from Dia but she's probably straight/most ppl here don't care to check?

Like obviously if queer actors can't play straight roles then they won't make money especially in korea but it just sucks that these ppl can't play queer roles because there aren't a lot of them/their company doesn't want them doing bls/gls are still in their infancy in korea.

Also the shipping that goes on with straight couples in mainstream shows is very off putting to me. Like I say that as a bl shipper.

Straight ppl going omg!!!1!!1!! at imho fairly mild kissing scenes but then bitching if there's too much sex.

And then praying that these 2 ppl who probably have barely talked to each other at an award show once before this will get married and have pretty children is just so fucking weird and hypocritical.

Like there are problematic bl fans but the way the homophobes will beat us into submission and call us delulu losers over even ships/couples like Leo and Xiumin but then go turn around and use the most thread bare of evidence as proof that their straight kdrama ship from a show that's like 10 years old is real is sooo fucking annoying.

Ah sorry soat this turned into a rant. I've held back for a long time...

 

[temporarywool]

hope your cat's ok!

She is. It was an appointment on Friday so I couldn't stay up. She has an ear infection again in both ears and had to get the last of her yearly shots and will have to have another tooth out may or June. The vet thinks the ear infection is caused by a food allergy so all 3 have to eat the same thing for 2 months.

 

[EphemeralGayz]

I'm gone for a few days and I come back to a flood.

I'm all for newbie exuberance, but we should probably move some of this to a different thread. Neurodiversity is wonderful, however, it is difficult for it to result in discussion as not everyone on the thread is divergent and, thus, aren't qualified to speak on the matter. I would hate for such a topic to be mired in ignorance. I will contrast this with straight people commenting on sexuality. It is still a negative for stereotypes to be used by straight people to "classify" queer people, but at least everyone has a connection to sexuality in some form. And the drama excerpts can be triggering for people nor topic relevant.

I'm not wading through and responding to everything said, because, well, it is a deluge. I will, however, note that some comments made about gay face and testosterone and voice and their correlation to queerness are not only lacking, but harmful. Unless you can provide multiple peer-reviewed, scholarly articles with a positive correlation, I call bullshit.

This post might make me the villain for a bit, but I felt some things needed to be said as this much posting can also be intimidating to some people and I would like their thoughts as well. I have no intention to gatekeep, but it's a lot.

 

[MlCKEY]

I'm gone for a few days and I come back to a flood.

I'm all for newbie exuberance, but we should probably move some of this to a different thread. Neurodiversity is wonderful, however, it is difficult for it to result in discussion as not everyone on the thread is divergent and, thus, aren't qualified to speak on the matter. I would hate for such a topic to be mired in ignorance. I will contrast this with straight people commenting on sexuality. It is still a negative for stereotypes to be used by straight people to "classify" queer people, but at least everyone has a connection to sexuality in some form. And the drama excerpts can be triggering for people nor topic relevant.

I'm not wading through and responding to everything said, because, well, it is a deluge. I will, however, note that some comments made about gay face and testosterone and voice and their correlation to queerness are not only lacking, but harmful. Unless you can provide multiple peer-reviewed, scholarly articles with a positive correlation, I call bullshit.

This post might make me the villain for a bit, but I felt some things needed to be said as this much posting can also be intimidating to some people and I would like their thoughts as well. I have no intention to gatekeep, but it's a lot.

So with the gay face thing I know of one study for it. The results were definitely not "everyone who has this face structure is gay" at all, just an increased likelihood the learning model paired it. Instead of 50% accuracy it was 67% accuracy. This isn't insignificant but it's also really not that compelling, if there was still that much failure in a 50/50 choice test. As far as I know there hasn't been many replications of this study so I'd take it with a grain of salt. It also sort of hinges on the assumption that sexuality is a binary hetero/homo situation which it is definitely not as well all know.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijop.12811

I am obviously not a researcher in any of the topics this bisects so of course I wouldn't just take my word on it, read it yourself and come to your own conclusions!

I think its okay to talk about neurodiversity in regards to queerness because there definitely is a correlation there, but I agree general discussion of it would make sense to be in its own thread.

I think in the future we should heavily encourage the use of spoiler tags or direct links to articles? That way it's easier to navigate through as you read and isn't so overwhelming. I hope new users still feel comfortable posting though!

 

[fo_lia_ge]

seconding the fact that gay face may be real. i learned about a study in which people were able to tell if someone was queer just by looking at their face. but yes, i don't think we should be only going off stereotypes in these discussions.

anyhow, been getting into infinite lately and i feel that they are mostly a straight group? i think sunggyu, sungyeol, dongwoo, and myungsoo all give straight vibes. i dont want to comment on sungjong too much because i know he's talked about not liking people speculating on his sexuality although this thread is more of an enclosed space so i understand why other people feel comfortable doing so.

i keep going back and forth on hoya and woohyun mostly. with hoya, i ultimately came to the conclusion that he's one of those straight guys that just isn't interested in dating as a whole. i honestly think playing gay characters in media doesn't actually say much about the actor's sexuality. like yes it could be a gay celebrity showing support for their community but also allies exist lol. i feel bad that the role made people come up to him and question his sexuality to his face though.

woohyun though? still very confused. he plays HEAVILY into fanservice with his female fans (like to this day. he's probably doing it as we speak) and calls them his girlfriends but every time i look back on his friendship with key i can't help but see one of those heavily emotional and volatile codependent queer best-friendships. also very curious about something, if there are any older shawols/inspirits that know the details: i recently saw someone on reddit claim that woohyun dated hyeonseop (key's rumored model ex boyfriend), like around the time he and key dated? is there any evidence to back this up? was this a common consensus back in the day?

 

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anyhow, been getting into infinite lately and i feel that they are mostly a straight group? i think sunggyu, sungyeol, dongwoo, and myungsoo all give straight vibes. i dont want to comment on sungjong too much because i know he's talked about not liking people speculating on his sexuality although this thread is more of an enclosed space so i understand why other people feel comfortable doing so.

i keep going back and forth on hoya and woohyun mostly. with hoya, i ultimately came to the conclusion that he's one of those straight guys that just isn't interested in dating as a whole. i honestly think playing gay characters in media doesn't actually say much about the actor's sexuality. like yes it could be a gay celebrity showing support for their community but also allies exist lol. i feel bad that the role made people come up to him and question his sexuality to his face though.

woohyun though? still very confused. he plays HEAVILY into fanservice with his female fans (like to this day. he's probably doing it as we speak) and calls them his girlfriends but every time i look back on his friendship with key i can't help but see one of those heavily emotional and volatile codependent queer best-friendships. also very curious about something, if there are any older shawols/inspirits that know the details: i recently saw someone on reddit claim that woohyun dated hyeonseop (key's rumored model ex boyfriend), like around the time he and key dated? is there any evidence to back this up? was this a common consensus back in the day?

Personally friendships and friend groups tend to be very convincing to me, if two idols ping for me separately and then they also end up being close friends I find it pretty compelling. I'm talking about friendships between groups or between idols/actors etc. With Woohyun everyone knows he was besties with Key but he's also friends with other commonly speculated idols. He's gotten close with Jaejoong over the past few years and their friendship definitely does not feel romantic but it's just got that sort of commonground vibe to it if you get what I'm saying. Like there's a level of comfort there because they both know they're on the same team and there's nothing between them and that's fine. As opposed to friendships with straights where there can be some unspoken level of performativeness to it since you don't want to come across as crushing on them or whatever. Especially in a society that is still socially conservative in the way that Korea is but where "coming out" is still a thing that happens regularly.

And to be honest Woohyun is definitely on another level with the fanservice towards his female fans but it all feels very performative and lightweight in a way? Maybe it's just because idols his age who still do fanservice to that extent are kind of uncommon but it doesn't feel especially sincere? I definitely get the impression he adores his fans, but it doesn't necessarily come across as sincere flirting if you get what I'm saying.

I also can't genuinely sit here and claim that I think Sunggyu isn't straight because I like. Definitely do think he is straight. But the revelation on Jaejoong's show that all of the Sungyeol abs glorification in their new mv was his idea definitely did make me raise an eyebrow lmao I get he's just being a businessman but if somebody with less of a het aura was responsible for that creative choice it would definitely make me think twice.

The Hyeonseop thing fans think Hyeonseop rebounded from Key with Woohyun iirc and this was what lead to the wookey/91 line fallout. Linking that legendary wookey tumblr post talking about them but I don't think it actually talks about the rebound theory. I swear I read that somewhere though lol

 

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I know he left but the mental link is still there?

And also watching mainstream straight shows with queer MLS is .

Like I liked love in black hole with Hangyul and seola but I still feel like they gave off autistic girl and her gay best friend vibes instead of two ppl that totes want each other carnally. If I had written it that's what it would have been.

Would still recommend it though if u want something fairly light and short and scifi without "we have to save the world!!!1!!!1" bs
but u probably won't like it because it's idol acting.

Anyway it goes to show how even I as a queer person am influenced by my knowledge of an actor's sexuality. Despite being "woke" I'm still sitting there going "Yeah yall wouldn't hook up irl."

I can still find the guy attractive and unlike most cis straight women if he's bi like Lee Joon then I'm obviously still into him because trans. (Transphobic bi ppl exist but I can dream yall)

And if the plot is interesting I'm still watching it but I just...don't get swept up in the romanceee the way the straights do.

Like I got pretty emotional with light on me. (That's probably mostly because of my own closeted queer kid for all of high school trauma though.)

Love in black hole was...like pretty good?

I like the unintentional autistic rep (a lot of autistic/etc ppl like unintentional rep better than intentional representation because it often turns into autism 101 for the normies i.e. the good doctor western version/centers a neurotypical character's feelings about taking care of a nd person i.e. sia's horrible autism movie music/a barrage of ableist jokes i.e. the big bang theory.) and seola and Hangyul are okay actors.

And it only has 1 intimate partner violence scene where her ex shows up at her house drunk but the guys are there to help handle it without coming off as knights in shining armor and it's mostly just yelling.

...but I was absolutely still aware that I was watching at least 4 queer idols act out a straight love pentagon.

Sf9 Lee Jay hoon is the 2ml and he's been talked about on here a bit. I think he pings.

The third male lead is Bae 173 doha. Also pings. (And there's a invading your personal space scene with him and seola that I definitely wasn't a fan of.)

The 2fl is ki hui hyun from Dia but she's probably straight/most ppl here don't care to check?

Like obviously if queer actors can't play straight roles then they won't make money especially in korea but it just sucks that these ppl can't play queer roles because there aren't a lot of them/their company doesn't want them doing bls/gls are still in their infancy in korea.

Also the shipping that goes on with straight couples in mainstream shows is very off putting to me. Like I say that as a bl shipper.

Straight ppl going omg!!!1!!1!! at imho fairly mild kissing scenes but then bitching if there's too much sex.

And then praying that these 2 ppl who probably have barely talked to each other at an award show once before this will get married and have pretty children is just so fucking weird and hypocritical.

Like there are problematic bl fans but the way the homophobes will beat us into submission and call us delulu losers over even ships/couples like Leo and Xiumin but then go turn around and use the most thread bare of evidence as proof that their straight kdrama ship from a show that's like 10 years old is real is sooo fucking annoying.

Ah sorry soat this turned into a rant. I've held back for a long time...

no problem, I can't stand shippers, I get so annoyed when I see my girls being shipped with idiot men, when I watch a drama and go search for edits the comments are filled with ''oh they love each other'', ''I hope they get married'', ''dating news soon''
but with popular couples like gong yoo x lee dong wook, sana x miyeon, suzy x rosé people get mad like it's something impossible or some fans force you to accept couples from the same group when it's clear they are not real
so yeah, I don't like shippers
same thing with idols doing bl, some fans are cool with that but most of them don't like it
look at taecyeon, some older fans were so mad about the news of him doing a bl

 

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Personally friendships and friend groups tend to be very convincing to me, if two idols ping for me separately and then they also end up being close friends I find it pretty compelling. I'm talking about friendships between groups or between idols/actors etc. With Woohyun everyone knows he was besties with Key but he's also friends with other commonly speculated idols. He's gotten close with Jaejoong over the past few years and their friendship definitely does not feel romantic but it's just got that sort of commonground vibe to it if you get what I'm saying. Like there's a level of comfort there because they both know they're on the same team and there's nothing between them and that's fine. As opposed to friendships with straights where there can be some unspoken level of performativeness to it since you don't want to come across as crushing on them or whatever. Especially in a society that is still socially conservative in the way that Korea is but where "coming out" is still a thing that happens regularly.

And to be honest Woohyun is definitely on another level with the fanservice towards his female fans but it all feels very performative and lightweight in a way? Maybe it's just because idols his age who still do fanservice to that extent are kind of uncommon but it doesn't feel especially sincere? I definitely get the impression he adores his fans, but it doesn't necessarily come across as sincere flirting if you get what I'm saying.

I also can't genuinely sit here and claim that I think Sunggyu isn't straight because I like. Definitely do think he is straight. But the revelation on Jaejoong's show that all of the Sungyeol abs glorification in their new mv was his idea definitely did make me raise an eyebrow lmao I get he's just being a businessman but if somebody with less of a het aura was responsible for that creative choice it would definitely make me think twice.

The Hyeonseop thing fans think Hyeonseop rebounded from Key with Woohyun iirc and this was what lead to the wookey/91 line fallout. Linking that legendary wookey tumblr post talking about them but I don't think it actually talks about the rebound theory. I swear I read that somewhere though lol

now that i think about it... something about the fact that woohyun and jaejoong apparently discuss extensively how they can keep giving fanservice to their female fans makes so much more sense now but in a completely different light. LMAO. ik they both love their fans a lot (jaejoong especially because of what he went through with his career and his gratitude towards them for being so loyal throughout it) but its still kinda funny to me that its something they discuss !

but you're right that the fan service feels more like woohyun having fun and bantering with fans? almost like theyre friends joking around? usually when other idols do fanservice i feel like theres more of a wall. but with woohyun it feels more like hes being personally entertained by the whole thing

the hyeonseop thing is so out of pocket lmao. who knows if it's true at this point! i guess it's such an old rumor that there's really no substantial proof for it (anymore)