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StanImportant metric or not for idols from a financial aspect, which is how some of you guys are approaching this, but personally they clearly care a lot about charting and whether SK are enjoying their music.
Do people think there's no reason as to why Jihyo? wished they could hit no.1 before Fancy came out, or when Dahyun wished for it? on her Birthday before More and More came about? Or there was nothing to it when it was announced at the youtube thing before the MV release and how happy they were? Did they even mention the 500k pre-orders? Do people think they've not realised they've gone from collecting 2 Gaon SOTY awards for three years running and now will most likely have two years in a row with not even one in each year as they perform there, whilst other GG's will this year?
And Melon is still the top dog, whilst idols do better there as it's more idol fan heavy. Which is why a high performance on Melon correlates better with high Gaon digital points. I feel like Feel Special barely picks up anything now/none at all? And charting is relative, saying idol popularity is on a downward trend when Twice songs are doing worse than the competition doesn't work.
To close off people expect the best from Twice because that's what they have been delivering for 3 years beforehand. Whether it be physicals, digitals or touring. It means harsher comparisons but they were the standard for a reason. So losing out to nearly every competitive GG's recent releases in SK digitally (Hip, Psycho, HYLT, now OMG's title and b-side), and probably losing the record for best selling GG album when BP release after a year of fundraising, is going to have people questioning whether they still are the top GG and honestly, understandably (even though there are big caveats to it due to how BP release their music)
Do people think there's no reason as to why Jihyo? wished they could hit no.1 before Fancy came out, or when Dahyun wished for it? on her Birthday before More and More came about? Or there was nothing to it when it was announced at the youtube thing before the MV release and how happy they were? Did they even mention the 500k pre-orders? Do people think they've not realised they've gone from collecting 2 Gaon SOTY awards for three years running and now will most likely have two years in a row with not even one in each year as they perform there, whilst other GG's will this year?
And Melon is still the top dog, whilst idols do better there as it's more idol fan heavy. Which is why a high performance on Melon correlates better with high Gaon digital points. I feel like Feel Special barely picks up anything now/none at all? And charting is relative, saying idol popularity is on a downward trend when Twice songs are doing worse than the competition doesn't work.
To close off people expect the best from Twice because that's what they have been delivering for 3 years beforehand. Whether it be physicals, digitals or touring. It means harsher comparisons but they were the standard for a reason. So losing out to nearly every competitive GG's recent releases in SK digitally (Hip, Psycho, HYLT, now OMG's title and b-side), and probably losing the record for best selling GG album when BP release after a year of fundraising, is going to have people questioning whether they still are the top GG and honestly, understandably (even though there are big caveats to it due to how BP release their music)
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i wonder why twice have less CF than 2017-2018..
i think CF should taken seriously because it can attract GP non fans to follow twice..
i know Japan CF is more important bcs of the money but Korean CF is also important too..
i think CF should taken seriously because it can attract GP non fans to follow twice..
i know Japan CF is more important bcs of the money but Korean CF is also important too..
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StanIn addition - we should have had some more solo stuff by now which also helps bring relevacne and fans to the group.
I feel like they're going to do it all when the groups popularity is on a downward trend in SK as it already is, giving the members less of a chance at succeeding, as solo stuff is less fandom driven
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Exactly this, I think that also touches on Whisky's point about the Soribada award voting. The reason why ONCE is going so hard on it for now is because it's more than likely the only award TWICE will pick up this year.
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StanI don't think any GG can get that many sales from USA.
Anyway, what yall all forgetting with the "hits not important" comment is the position Twice holds. Other ggs don't get their position questions every time they don't do well.
Just the last week alone AKP was a shitstorm(as it always is) with bullshit like BP surpassed Twice, BP #1 digital group and etc. This creates a bad moral situation both for fans and the girls. And if you think girls don't care yall are fucking crazy. Some Onces dismiss the fans who are disappointed by calling them success stans, I mean, why would you not want or care about your favorite's success? It is directly related to girls happiness.
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StanI don't think we are bad with collective effort, many fans just don't really care. When it comes to Soribada voting all twitter Onces are organized. We can be if we want. Many people are just indifferent
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StanHaving the 1st comeback not do well is also a struggle as the second one later in the year is a release in that "dead zone" that won't get a chance to win anything other than the Gaon monthly.
Most definitely. Twice are the only big girl group of the 3rd gen to do nothing solo. BP gain fans by their members doing promo in different countries. MMM have Hwasa grabbing fans in the girl crush side, then Wheein grabbing on the mature side with her ballads, Solar with her Youtube channel. RV have Joy on multiple variety shows, Irene doing multiple CF's, Wendy singing OST's.
Whereas Twice is just so group-centric. No OST's. No solos. No CF's unless all 9. Rarely/never do shows on their own. No acting gigs. They're 5 years old and everything still depends on the group
Just like with how they're struggling to get the GP to like their change in musical direction as they took so long to change it (so the GP see them in one way), they're also potentially going struggle doing solo stuff as the GP don't know them outside of a group,
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NuguI think I kinda understand now the benefits in the strategy of having a korean cb very close to a japanese release. Just look at this photo in a store in Japan:
Back-to-back promo for MM and Fanfare. Japanese casual fans of Twice will probably just buy the more hyped jp release. But the likelihood of buying the korean release is high as well since it is being advertised already right beside the more popular japanese single. The korean release will benefit from the exposure of a more familiar japanese release.
This also reminds me that NiziU being branded as the Japanese Twice will benefit the group in the long run. I've read in reddit forum that NiziU is having big buzz from the japanese populations who don't really care about kpop. I have a feeling that NiziU will help widen the audience of Twice as well in Japan. Anyway Japan music industry is already used to this sister group concept thing with the 48/46 jgg so both groups will do okay hopefully~
Back-to-back promo for MM and Fanfare. Japanese casual fans of Twice will probably just buy the more hyped jp release. But the likelihood of buying the korean release is high as well since it is being advertised already right beside the more popular japanese single. The korean release will benefit from the exposure of a more familiar japanese release.
This also reminds me that NiziU being branded as the Japanese Twice will benefit the group in the long run. I've read in reddit forum that NiziU is having big buzz from the japanese populations who don't really care about kpop. I have a feeling that NiziU will help widen the audience of Twice as well in Japan. Anyway Japan music industry is already used to this sister group concept thing with the 48/46 jgg so both groups will do okay hopefully~
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@trace yeah most likely had to kind of pack the J and K releases this time to sort of 'share hype' since they can barely promote Fanfare. Without the ability to travel to Japan and do fan events or proper promotion this was probably the best idea on the board and so far the Oricon numbers have been record breaking for More & More so fingers crossed that carries over to Fanfare too lol.
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do you think twice will do well with melon reform its chart??
twice never #1 in flo chart, always peaked in #2 with fancy feel special and more and more, so im little bit worried now...
twice never #1 in flo chart, always peaked in #2 with fancy feel special and more and more, so im little bit worried now...
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StanMelon has more kpop fans on it - which is why you can see the new RV release for example is already 13th on Melon yet 22nd on Flo.
The chart will work of UL's and Twice rarely (I can only really think of FS that never even hit no.1 anyhow) don't have strong enough UL's in the 1st 24 hours to hit no.1. Hours at no.1 would be hit as 1) It will take longer to get to no.1 2) if a kpop group is 2nd in UL's but close enough to whoever is on top (assuming they're not kpop), streaming won't give them any edge like it would before, they'll just be stuck at 2nd unless they can get the UL's up. It also means if Twice release near a big BG that'd usually take hours away at no.1 at late night/very early morning. like we've seen BTS/17 do recently with BP, that also can't happen which is a plus with more hours at no.1. The GP also aren't waking up with the Twice song 50th every morning.
Twice tend to correlate with their daily position on Melon pretty well (which is basically what Melon has turned to) which has always been done by UL's.
What it will stop is the likes of NCT's sub-units that barely cross 300k UL's but still get hours at number one through streams.
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StanNot producing isn't enough. Songs that he chooses, arrangements that he does, everything. Still can't believe he asked Twice to sing M&M in a cute way, fucking moron
Btw guys
#FairTreatmentForGOT7 Trended worldwide as Ahgases sent a truck in front of the JYP Building asking for better treatment for GOT7
Ahgases (GOT7's fanbase) all around the world has been doing an online protest for GOT7's mistreatment by JYP Entertainment. The hashtag #FairTreatme…
I was worried about that days before the teasers started... like... I just can't believe he really did that... is like he is a demented old man who doesn't realize what he does.Not producing isn't enough. Songs that he chooses, arrangements that he does, everything. Still can't believe he asked Twice to sing M&M in a cute way, fucking moron
Btw guys
#FairTreatmentForGOT7 Trended worldwide as Ahgases sent a truck in front of the JYP Building asking for better treatment for GOT7
Ahgases (GOT7's fanbase) all around the world has been doing an online protest for GOT7's mistreatment by JYP Entertainment. The hashtag #FairTreatme…www.allkpop.com
And yes, we need to stop him to mess in Twice music overall unless is a bside he produced. No selecting the title tracks, no directing the vocal sessions and the way Twice sings. We need to get rid of his ''half hair, half sound'' shit method in the way too, that thing is holding back Twice vocal potential.
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StanAm I the only one who liked the freaking song? My complains are MV, JYP's instructions, promotion, album, basically everything except the song itself. Song is pretty great imo
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You are in the minority Dreamers...I don't know what to tell ya lmao. When the song released I thought it was good but after 10 listens or so I think it's just a little bland. The dance break into rap is just a real hype killer.
Not bad since they had to buy Fanfare at the same time
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nervous about fanfare sales this week, i hope it pass 250k first week atleast on par with Happy Happy and Breakthrough.
honestly, i think they should stop releasing both korea and japan album at the same time,
why not Q1 for korean comeback and Q2 Japan comeback, Q3 korean comeback, Q4 Japan comeback.
they should atleast make gap between each release if they want record. but forget about that jype only care about money.