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Wow 108k this close to More & More and without fan events I was prepared for a dsiaster.
108k and if the sales keep up like usual this will be another high seller for TWICE.
108k and if the sales keep up like usual this will be another high seller for TWICE.
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Reaching 250K++ copies would be great enough. Twice will have 10 consecutive Platinum Certifications
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250k is secured i think., 100k first day is sign of consistency, the question is if this fanfare can reach 300k oricon like usual release, ofc bb japan will atleast 350k too.
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StanAre you really buying into blinks bullshit?
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It depends tho-they have been money collecting hardcore for over 6 months now. I know the sales figures they are predicting are lowkey hilarious when you look into it(expected 150-200k from Korea and 150k from Japan is just comedy gold) but they have collected a lot of money.
I know the 300+k copies is wrong tho as of now they are counting every copy as 10-ish bucks and treating it as tho 100% are non shipped back, when according to most accounts at least 60% are shipped back so around a quarter of the already collected money will vanish to postage.
But you never know-tho their new album isn't looking too hot right now. So it will be interesting to see considering number of songs has never been what moved singles or albums in Kpop so it will be interesting to see how much this sells.
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The carelessness in this kind of things is disappointing tbh and especially when it's constant over time and in different areas. This is what happen when companies have no fear for their costumers retaliation, they become lazy, careless and incompentent. I think is time to start talking about this kind of issues even when they are not the most nice and positive conversation topics, this fandom avoinding to talk about the negative things the labels have been doing for years is what has brought us to this point. We need to talk about it and make the fandom aware, then take mass action before we enter the no return point.
Forget about Loona, their company is rich asf and have a lot of resources, let's talk about how Dreamcatcher have better MVs than Twice!!
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StanWell, if you have more than one artisits signed with your label, earlier or later some of those artisist will start growing at other's act expense. Unfortunaltelly, good, let alone hit, song is a very rare asset you can't aquire simply by investing in machines, equipment, labour force etc. There is always limited amount of hit material. It's making me a bit nervous, that JYP will have to spread this resource over 3 ggs.
Anyway, MVs. While I do agree TWICE videos are lacking since, idk, WIL era, I don't think JYPE or even NAIVE is completely unable to film something special for TWICE. I do believe it's not about production studio, but more about money and time spendings. ICY and recent SKids video were top notch, one of the best (if not the best) MVs in the industry recently. NAIVE filmed Likey and Signal for TWICE and those were also great examples of top-tier production. Simply put, it's all about money. You have to be lucky enough to find a right song, but you can always film great MV if you invest enough. No need to even ditch NAIVE for that (althogh they fd up hard with this plagiarism accusations).
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StanI think the big elephant in the room regarding BP sales is people's unawareness over how many copies Chinese were already buying before. For KTL only on Ktown it is 100k the big portion of which are Chinese sales. If you add up all of them, I think we'd find out that 200k sales of KTL actually came from China. Which makes their current number not so impressive. Another YG group Winner had 95k on Ktown and only 115k on Gaon. We are talking about 90% share here.
And even if they do magically beat the record, the question would be "how less will they sell with their next album". Cause these Chinese bulk buys were proven to be one time hits. EXO, Kang Daniel, Izone all have seen drops after these Chinese campaigns.
These fundraisings are clownery and I honestly hate that Onces joined it too. I'd rather keep it organic like everything else and clown others for these pathetic methods to beat Twice.
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The carelessness in this kind of things is disappointing tbh and especially when it's constant over time and in different areas. This is what happen when companies have no fear for their costumers retaliation, they become lazy, careless and incompentent. I think is time to start talking about this kind of issues even when they are not the most nice and positive conversation topics, this fandom avoinding to talk about the negative things the labels have been doing for years is what has brought us to this point. We need to talk about it and make the fandom aware, then take mass action before we enter the no return point.
Forget about Loona, their company is rich asf and have a lot of resources, let's talk about how Dreamcatcher have better MVs than Twice!!
Ehmm, again, whats the point? If you aint gonna at least email JYP or send trucks like Got7 and BP fans do, I don't see how these discussions are helpful. JYP won't read this.
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Yeah. I keep seeing the number 47k being banded around for KTL but in reality the actual sales are somewhere around the 150k to 200k mark from like 330k sales...so I see these ppl on twt or whatever talking about getting 1m sales and I'm like....yeah...not gonna happen.
As a result we see many Once somehow disappointing in selling 108k today and 560+K for M&M and I'm just thinking these guys need to come back to reality.
@Elessar I hate to see that. It's been an issue for some time now and just downgrades TWICE's image. This is a WJM issue tho as they are the sole distributors of TWICE's JPN physicals.
They need to step up their game big style.
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StanI had a pretty long answer to this but it was way too devils advocate so cut it down lol
I think as Hanteo showed, the fandom were just more united than they've ever been in getting the record as physicals is Twice's "thing", so I just see this as front loaded sales. FS only had one week worth of shipments whereas M&M had an entire month, so I think the comparison is more 400k (amount at end of October) v 563k. I don't envisage a big Gaon amount this month (happy to be proven wrong) so you're seeing a gain of 160k seems more accurate to me. 70k China so another 90k somewhere.
On Oricon I also think it was more front-loaded, and FS was impacted by a millions things being next to it. Will need to see if it eventually becomes the best selling Korean album on Oricon for Twice. Saying that, I'll wait for Fanfare's numbers before I make any sweeping judgements on Japan as that's more telling for me, but it'll be interesting to see if it can beat BT/HH, as they were released a week apart. Because you also have &Twice struggling in between that (also impacted by over-saturation), I think it just reached 200k before the repackage.
The Japanese market still confuses me. I'd judge physicals as the best indicator of fandom but Twice haven't beat Wake Me Up in two years and charting isn't as strong. But then touring is solid. Did Wake Me Up just have multiple fan signs and events to get the number up? I can't even remember but Twice haven't touched those numbers since and now just seems like an anomaly.
Don't know enough about this chart to comment admittedly.
I feel like the SEA is underrated, especially considering Twice's growing popularity in places like the Phillipines. As I see it more as a 90k difference for everyone else to make up I can see it getting close enough. (always hard to tell with kpop due to the collecting aspect of it)
Definitely not, but what it does show is less engagement than before, which either means less fans or they're not as bothered. Even looking at something as small as how many likes Twice b-sides get on Melon, the RV sub-unit b-sides already have more than M&M b-sides for example. Izone chart like a BG on Melon which is indicative of a large fandom. I'd have originally said Twice fans are more male therefore less likely to be that proactive at that kind of thing, but then I think IZ have more male fans proportionally. So I don't understand how they can get their songs to chart like they do whereas Twice's UL's aren't enough to get a b-side in the top 100 even for a few days.
Twice could have done KSPO Dome in 2018, just like they could have done a Dome Tour in 2018 and a Stadium show in 2019 in Japan. As much as I want to say that's year on year growth, that's more just JYPE playing it incredibly safe with Twice like he has done for most of their career for me.
The thing is these are all gains expected. Twice only got 15m for FS on Youtube, Spotify is only slightly ahead (I posted US numbers previously on the thread and they were worse for M&M)
It's not even about declining tbh. Kpop is growing worldwide so the international metrics you should naturally expect to get better. Just like how Hwasa's solo outdid Hip's Spotify debut, or the sub-unit MV being RV's most watched in 24 hours (iirc). Nearly every group is trending upwards and Twice are no different in that regard. Whether it be Spotify, Youtube, album sales etc. Itzy spent the 2nd longest time on the Global spotify chart after BTS for example as well with Wannabe. Multiple groups hit 100k+ sales now.
I can see why the sentiment is apparent as their "rival" group is making the same gains but bigger, a bit like BTS v EXO 2016 onwards, where EXO were on top and the fandom still growing, but BTS's were just growing much quicker whilst EXO's relevance was also starting to fall domestically. I used this comparison lightly as BP promote in a totally different way too normal kpop groups, but I feel like by year end there'll be a few changes if they go ahead with another 2 releases in the next 3 months (big caveat with how unreliable YG are)
Lmao a broken clock is right twice a day.
I know they say the same thing everytime they comeback but in my mind it does semi seem inevitable sometime in the near future. I remember looking at the Twice cfan donations and they did translate pretty spot on to actual sales. If they can push cfans to 400k, maybe a 150k between Japan/SK, they're are pretty much there with sales from elsewhere.
On that note - did anyone seewhat the Taiwanese order was for this comeback? A part of me thouht this would be the year they'd get a concert before Covid happened
I think as Hanteo showed, the fandom were just more united than they've ever been in getting the record as physicals is Twice's "thing", so I just see this as front loaded sales. FS only had one week worth of shipments whereas M&M had an entire month, so I think the comparison is more 400k (amount at end of October) v 563k. I don't envisage a big Gaon amount this month (happy to be proven wrong) so you're seeing a gain of 160k seems more accurate to me. 70k China so another 90k somewhere.
On Oricon I also think it was more front-loaded, and FS was impacted by a millions things being next to it. Will need to see if it eventually becomes the best selling Korean album on Oricon for Twice. Saying that, I'll wait for Fanfare's numbers before I make any sweeping judgements on Japan as that's more telling for me, but it'll be interesting to see if it can beat BT/HH, as they were released a week apart. Because you also have &Twice struggling in between that (also impacted by over-saturation), I think it just reached 200k before the repackage.
The Japanese market still confuses me. I'd judge physicals as the best indicator of fandom but Twice haven't beat Wake Me Up in two years and charting isn't as strong. But then touring is solid. Did Wake Me Up just have multiple fan signs and events to get the number up? I can't even remember but Twice haven't touched those numbers since and now just seems like an anomaly.
Don't know enough about this chart to comment admittedly.
I feel like the SEA is underrated, especially considering Twice's growing popularity in places like the Phillipines. As I see it more as a 90k difference for everyone else to make up I can see it getting close enough. (always hard to tell with kpop due to the collecting aspect of it)
Definitely not, but what it does show is less engagement than before, which either means less fans or they're not as bothered. Even looking at something as small as how many likes Twice b-sides get on Melon, the RV sub-unit b-sides already have more than M&M b-sides for example. Izone chart like a BG on Melon which is indicative of a large fandom. I'd have originally said Twice fans are more male therefore less likely to be that proactive at that kind of thing, but then I think IZ have more male fans proportionally. So I don't understand how they can get their songs to chart like they do whereas Twice's UL's aren't enough to get a b-side in the top 100 even for a few days.
Twice could have done KSPO Dome in 2018, just like they could have done a Dome Tour in 2018 and a Stadium show in 2019 in Japan. As much as I want to say that's year on year growth, that's more just JYPE playing it incredibly safe with Twice like he has done for most of their career for me.
The thing is these are all gains expected. Twice only got 15m for FS on Youtube, Spotify is only slightly ahead (I posted US numbers previously on the thread and they were worse for M&M)
It's not even about declining tbh. Kpop is growing worldwide so the international metrics you should naturally expect to get better. Just like how Hwasa's solo outdid Hip's Spotify debut, or the sub-unit MV being RV's most watched in 24 hours (iirc). Nearly every group is trending upwards and Twice are no different in that regard. Whether it be Spotify, Youtube, album sales etc. Itzy spent the 2nd longest time on the Global spotify chart after BTS for example as well with Wannabe. Multiple groups hit 100k+ sales now.
I can see why the sentiment is apparent as their "rival" group is making the same gains but bigger, a bit like BTS v EXO 2016 onwards, where EXO were on top and the fandom still growing, but BTS's were just growing much quicker whilst EXO's relevance was also starting to fall domestically. I used this comparison lightly as BP promote in a totally different way too normal kpop groups, but I feel like by year end there'll be a few changes if they go ahead with another 2 releases in the next 3 months (big caveat with how unreliable YG are)
Lmao a broken clock is right twice a day.
I know they say the same thing everytime they comeback but in my mind it does semi seem inevitable sometime in the near future. I remember looking at the Twice cfan donations and they did translate pretty spot on to actual sales. If they can push cfans to 400k, maybe a 150k between Japan/SK, they're are pretty much there with sales from elsewhere.
On that note - did anyone seewhat the Taiwanese order was for this comeback? A part of me thouht this would be the year they'd get a concert before Covid happened
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Well NiziU smashed. Oricon sales are meh. Depending on day 2 sales it will determine if we will be able to hit 300K or not. I guess Twice became the 3rd best seller in Japan officially rather than 2nd.
Did you missed this whole part ''We need to talk about it and make the fandom aware, then take mass action before we enter the no return point.'' or...
These issues have never been addressed cuz Onces don't talk about them and try to avoid them, there are people who are not aware of nothing of this. So we need to talk about it, make people aware, gather a large number of fans, make a plan to follow to then realize the necessary actions until they hear us.
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Not amazing. But all things considered high sales weren't expected with such limited promo, no fan events and JYPE/WMJ not listening when people said the timing was terrible. Why would you hold 2 releases with almost the exact selling period? There is a reason no other groups do this shit.
It's got around 158k on BBJP.
In other news with the Gaon updates and this the sales over the last 4-6 weeks are pretty crazy high.
With old albums Fanfare and M&M are 755,259 which is really insane. With the previous sale of old albums and F&T yearly sales are close to 1m so far with likely 2-3 more releases to come I think 2+ million in 2020 is more than likely.
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madness. 200k first week i think. sad but i think 250k oricon is secured. 330k BBJP
Yup Fanfare flopped. Lmao saw this coming. When you produce shit and get lazy consequences.